Killas Force New VF Players to Leave.....

The VF community hardcore are all killas. Even the long time VF casual players are killas. They've all been playing VF for 10 or more years. Doomslayers, Grimslayers, Skylords, Dragon Fangs, Tiger Claws, Conquerors, Lionhearts , Warriors, Darkslayers, Assassins, Berserkers, Stormlords , closet Defenders disguised as Kyu's ,they're all killas , the bunch of them. Nothing but blood thirsty killaz. New players to the game don't stand a damn chance.

Even when VF regular's are trying to be polite, or courteous, or helpful they just know too much its all overwhelming. They try to cram 10-15 years of experience into a single stream, chat, or session. Its just impossible

So what's a new player to do. How can a new player learn the game in a fun way Well there's

• Training Mode
• Arcade Mode

Training Mode might be fun and enjoyable, informative for players who already know the game. But in general training is not a fun mode for a brand new player that's just been destroyed online by some 3rd kyu that's been playing the game for 20 years. Yes training mode is part of the process to eventually get better. But new comers need to just play the game and learn the mechanics in a fun /explorative way. Training mode a'int it. All that's left is Arcade Mode.

What's the problem with Arcade Mode? Well its the same 19 AI. Its fun to learn to play against one version of each of the fighters. But there's no diversity. The Brad and Jean in Arcade mode always fight the same So arcade mode gets old quick and it still hasn't given the new player enough chops to even begin the hang with the battle hardened VF community.

What's desperately needed to help new players have fun learning the game, and be motivated to continue learning the game in the Training mode, is:

• Quest Mode (with lots of variety in AI. e.g. 20 different Akiras, 30 Kages, etc)
• License Mode

These two modes will allow the new player to learn the basics of the game while having fun, without all the stress and strain of dealing with the usual suspects. These modes will even allow new comers to fight comfortably ay Hunters and Raiders ranks. At that point they can engage the hardcore for advice. Asking a new player to just suck it up and get in the Dojo to learn the game so they can eventually face all the VF killas is unreasonable And watching Youtube videos of these master killas is discouraging at best for many new players. Sure a few new players can take that route, but most can't. Sega/AM2 we need Single Player modes, please do it for the children

Its no fun playing VF if all you face is Killas and no practical fun way to learn how to one day face the killas. So after a few overwhelming, humiliating, de-motivating fights its good by VF hello Guilty Gear.

 

Whose fault is that!? They had 10 years when FS dropped... Spare me their feelings. Good riddance’s to them. Only thing I’m mad about is that I didn’t get my system fast enough when the game was on fire to push their asses out quicker in their streams.

 

The only correct answer to this is "get good scrub"

 

Maybe I'm weird but I hate license modes.

 

Well think of the license mode as an advanced training mode. Where the AI is programmed to do things that it is hard to program the AI in training mode to do. There are only 19 AI programs Arcade Mode. The AI in License mode is programmed differently than what's in Arcade mode. There are far more than 19 AI's in license mode. So for training purposes, License mode allows you to train on specific techniques against a more diverse set of AI than what you can setup in Training Mode And its simply more fun

So on the days when you won't be able to find anyone whatsoever online. License Mode would be good to have

 

Another simple answer is an ONLINE training mode. I am literally, while typing this, listening to streamer ThatBlastedSalami explain Guilty Gear Strive to a friend of his via the online training mode. He is telling him "just do punch, kick, heavy slash" and the other guy is doing it. WHAT A NOVEL CONCEPT!

 

With the large pool of players in Ranked and Room matches, there's plenty of people for beginners to get matched up with that's around their skill level. So while they may run into good players that's simply making their way up to their respective ranks, it's not like that's who they're constantly playing.

People are going to learn at their own pace and in their own way. Juice Box has done more lab training in learning characters moves, frames, how to counter them etc. in a few days than I have in 15 years, lol.

And running into or seeing streamers play against good players isn't always a bad thing. It can open up peoples eyes to see things certain characters can do, or things that's universal to all characters (Except Taka maybe) and simply seeing things that look cool.

I won't deny Quest Mode isn't cool/a great feature though. I'm not even into single player content when it comes to fighting games. But I really enjoyed the Quest Mode in VF5. It was a great place to bring new characters you were trying out to get a hang of their move lists, memorizing them and using them during a match before taking them online.

Now is a great time for new players to learn since there's more players right now then there have been in years. So it shouldn't be too hard to find players around their skill level.

 

To add. The only real or best way to teach someone this game is either offline, or in online training like erdruag mentioned.

Being in a stream and typing the same instructions in all caps over and over to get someone to do something probably isn't the greatest way, but to each their own. Who am I to say.

I was teaching my nephew some stuff the other day and there's no better way than showing them how things work while you're both controlling a character. Even still, for the person teaching, patience is important. Just because you taught them something, doesn't mean they can apply it the same way you, as a veteran player can during a match in those split second moments that come and go.

 

i play all vf game , but the day i start playing very active is on vf 3 back them you have no website no real tutorials, i have hard time to get the move and frame data , i only have a video from sega , i learn everything with 1 of my friend playing with me , for me is just weird to hear all excuse for not playing and give up , the day i play wolf in vf3 i fall in love with the character and game , and i say to my self i will be top tier , i put the work in the game , nothing is free in vf , enjoy the game and put the work in it , reward will come later

 

Also want to throw out there that there's really nothing that's going to give a player the will to take beatings when they first start. You either want to be a fighting game player, or you don't. After that, you find a game you like, feels fair to you or that you're willing to put up with in a fighting game

I won't go into details because that'd need a video, so to put it short. In my opinion, in this day in age, what this game lacks for new players to stay is a training mode that teaches you more basics of VF and a better netcode/filtering system. I do have some good connections in this game.. So the netcode isn't bad per se. Lots of FG players like the game.

 

I'm sry mate, that may be one way that people learn to play VF. But many, many players learned VF with the single player modes. I can name 100 players that learned the core game with VF4EVO just playing, the Quest Mode, Underground Tournaments and the nice Tutorial. There was no online back then, no Youtube, no Twitch, none of that. Many players enjoy learning the basics of the game with Single player modes. Many players.

Also , not everybody wants to be a top competitive player in the game. There is a such thing as a casual VF player. Actually there are far more casual VF players than there are elite competitive players, and casual players have no problem learning the game from Single Player Modes. That's how I learned the game, thats how I primary play the game. I do offline with friends and family from time to time. I jump online get the rank of my choice and then I go back to single player mode where I have the most fun with the game. I enjoy playing against all of the diverse AI's in Quest Mode, Sparring Mode, Underground Tournaments, and License Mode. Online is alright, especially when I need to play against family and friends that don't leave in the same State I live in. Online mode saves the day But to me, online is an extra mode. Offline VS mode is the best mode for serious competition. and the Single Player modes are the favorite modes for many of the casual VF players. Tournament Mode (with brackets) needs to be added to Offline VS Mode.

There are times that nobody is online, and online is a ghost town. Some players can't afford PSPLUS so what options do they have

YES some players learn best when they are being taught the game by other players who know the game. BUT some players learn best playing VF Single Player modes , by themselves. VF5US needs to support both approaches.

Without at least one serious single player mode beside Arcade, VF5US will be a just a small island of faithfuls that will never put the game down no matter what

 

I'm not saying that's the only way. But it's definitely the best way. When you play with your friends and family, you can give them tips and vice versa, right? And not only can you explain, but you can show it to them and let them experience both sides (offense and defense).

I consider myself casual/competitive. I like to win and I practice with my character(s), but I don't really study up on frame data and lab for situations (yet), I just like to have fun in my own way.

But even on a low casual level, people at least want to know what their doing to a basic extent. We're not in those older times anymore. I'm from those days, too. And having someone who knows how to play the game (wether they can apply it in matches or not) is superior to the game teaching you. But both is nice to have. This game could use a deeper tutorial.

 

True.

But to add to that, I would say that they had 27 years, since VF1 released in 1993, to learn to play Virtua Fighter properly. But instead, alot of them (not all), spent 5 to 10 plus years, or over 2 decades, learning to do silly stuff like glitch dashing, wave dashing and juggling in tekken, instead of learning to play, a proper 3d fighting game like Virtua Fighter. Within those 27 years, most of them would have been VF grand masters, or very good players by now. 27 years? That is alot of time wasted.

 

Talk that shit Beanboy! In 27 years I learned how to play Everything. Equally.. I still remember the day I seen Tekken next to the VF2 machine in Broadway arcade. I mained Kazuya. It was nothing back then to play something new and stick with it. I gave street fighter 2 so much. I was dying for something new. VF came along and change the game. I was always told.. don’t ever be too good at one thing...Be diverse and learn a lil bit of everything.

 

The best way to learn is to find a friend to teach you online or offline whenever. I learned the basics of VF online in room matches by a concerned player and went through many drills with a mic before an online training mode was a thing. It would be the same basic thing offline but you would see the other person in person.

Offline training would be the best way to do it but not many people know people that close that are good enough to teach others. Arcade mode is just a way to practice what you were taught but you need someone to teach you the basics first. Online play should be the final step overall but many people go straight to online as their main option of learning and it shows when they get bodied.

 

There are several ways to learn VF. Different people learn differently. Different people prefer different methods. Several commonly found methods to learn VF

• Learn from a knowledgeable friend offline
• Learn from the many many VFDC resources on this site
• Learn from Single Player Modes (License Mode, Tutorial Mode, Special Sparring,etc)
• Learn from Youtube streamers and vids
• Learn from Twitch and other Social Media groups Facebook, Reddit etc.
• Learn from the school of hard knocks (just jump online and get killed 10,000 times)

It depends on what your goals are in the game. Maybe your goal is to just to one day beat Dural on hard in Arcade Mode Maybe your goal is to make it to 1rst Dan online. Maybe your goal is to win top spot at EVO, or some other world tournament. Maybe your goal is to earn all of the in game trophies, even the very rare ones Maybe your goal is to consistently beat your little sister and brother. Maybe your goal is to place in the top 10 for VF arcade score mode Maybe your goal is to one day beat all the AI in Special Sparring Mode in VF5FS. Maybe your goal is to master all of the frame data for all of the characters and all of the match-ups so you can beat Ryan Hart and Homestay Akira one thousand matches straight back to back.

There's is no one right or best way to learn VF. It will vary by person and then vary again based on that person's goals. Its a game, whatever is fun

The fact of the matter is there is a huge number of casual players that need significant single player content where they practice and have fun and gain an appreciation for the game, without being in a competitive situation. Sure there are many players who do need or want or care about single player modes, but there are many who do.

VF5US or VF6 needs at least one (preferably more) significant single player modes beyond arcade mode, for all those casual (potential one-day high level players) that learn best in single player.

I started with VF4. I learned a helluva lot from AI training Mode (which was unique to VF4), and statistics feed back found only in VF4 and VF4EVO. The training mode, the quest modes have a lot of good lessons to be learned. The License Mode in VF5FS is like the Quest Mode with (but with no rewards) I learned a great deal from License Mode in VF5FS. I'm a casual player, I really don't care about high level competition. I enjoy playing the game. I enjoy the beauty of the game. I enjoy the animations, the stages, the music, the character's fighting styles and the meager back story. I enjoyed learning to use the stick. I've won thousands of matches online and offline. I've lost thousands of matches online and offline. But the most fun I have is with VF is in Single Player modes I've learned the most about the game from playing Single Player modes. But that's just me and how I learn. Different strokes for different folks

 

Yeah, unfortunately many of them have this fantasy nowadays, that playing offline and training mode is for noobs, and going online, means that they will become evo champions in no time. x_X

And as you mentioned and that is true, they head straight into online territory, get heavily bodied, and then blame Virtua Fighter and lag, for their losing streak.

 

Just play the game... Getting good at anything takes time.

 

Back from the dead. I've been gone for 7 years. VF5ES has brought VF back into my life so naturally I've come to the greatest source of VF information in the world, VFDC. I come back and see many of the same old names, names like Shadowmaster, and Masterpo. How's it been fellas? I've been watching other people play as much as possible but as I had no access to VF, I've lost all muscle memory. I have to start all over again.

On the topic of the post. I think Masterpo is mostly correct. Killas chase, no, killas beat noobs into submission and brake them. If one is to remain interested in learning a new sport one must see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I remember when I was teaching my cousin to play VF. At the time there was no YouTube and no Xbox Live or PSN. I kept him interested by (gasp) LETTING HIM WIN SOME TIMES, not all the time, just enough to make him think he was getting close to me. Eventually he did catch me, just not nearly as soon as he thinks he did.

The fact is this is a game. We play it for fun. It's not fun to get your brains beat in with no hope of ever catching up.

The problem with VF is that it is so deep that it is actually more like a sport. There is so much to learn in the game that it may not be reasonable to believe that one will ever catch up to someone who has been playing steadily for 10-15 years before one first picked up the game.

I'm curious. How many people on VFDC are playing on PS4?

One possible solution may be to make seasons and schedules. That way we can make divisions according to skill level if necessary and keep everybody playing.

 

Who Fault is it Rank is the only option!? Noobs are noobs. If you can understand that you have to learn a game before you can win… Tough tits. It’s a 10 year old game.. get decent.