The lack of an E button in VF4 has made this art almost non-existent (compared to VF3 anyways). Crouch dashing is a must, yet incorporating dodging into a traditional K-stepping routine has become very difficult : the new engine forces you to use the joystick in a D or U position than return to neutral which obviously takes up more frame time than the old E button did. And I'm not talking about dodging, just remaining in constant movement just isnt possible anymore because of the joystick input requirements. I'm forced into a linear K-step with the occasional dodge as a counter attack, not as a machi setup or flowing system as it was in VF3. I have yet to see a decent K-step for the simple fact that its just not possible anymore to my knowledge (unless someone has figured how to 360 the joystick repeatedly and have an attack game incorporated /versus/images/icons/smile.gif). Has anyone had any success in the art (with Lion or Shun's 8 way step maybe? ) ??