LA Sparring

Discussion in 'Local Scene' started by adamYUKI, Nov 22, 2001.

  1. adamYUKI

    adamYUKI Well-Known Member

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    I've had some great matches with Bryan (spotlite) today, I definately learned a thing or two about the system in VF4. Bryan plays a very good/agressive akira with a really good understanding of the system. He uses stuff like Akira's Double Fisted Strike (b, f+pk) after he knocks you to the ground and you try to tech roll to the side. He also uses Akira's charge attack very well and hit me many times after I QR, just putting perfect distance between me and him so I couldn't hit him with anything. Once I tried kickfliping him out of Akira's charge attack with jacky and he got a huge major counter taking off like 40-50% after the hit.

    Anyone who wants to get some amazing matches of VF4 in goto the UCLA arcade and try and meet up with us to get some games in.

    CrewNYC
     
  2. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Andy, find out anything new abt Jacky in VF4?
    ( not combos. I'm actually interested in movement n stuff)

    In regards to ur thread abt asking for my opinion

    here's my opinion
    """" I DUN UNDERSTAND JACKY IN VF4...I DUNNO WHY...BUT I CANNOT CLICK WITH JACKY VERY WELL IN VF4..I R STEWPUD...I DO MUCH BETTER WITH AKIRA(pig)""""

    The thing is, I am playing quite differently from what I was doing up in sydney two weeks ago...I am pretty damn sure I am more aggressive, faster with my attacks n evading with Jacky, new flowcharts n option select n stuff etc etc etc etc etc

    But...I still have trouble 'clicking' with Jacky in VF4.
    Instead of figuring out things on my own...I'll appreciate if u can spare any new details abt Jacky's 'movement' in VF4
    (com on, us two are like the only movement whores in VF3 hehehe)

    Shota: help?
     
  3. adamYUKI

    adamYUKI Well-Known Member

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    Playing spotlite has definately made my jacky a whole lot better, especially in understanding what I can follow up with after I stagger or crumple my opponents. The basic strategy that i've found successful in VF4 is to use jacky's canned combo's and watch your opponents response. For instance I use pp d+k, with jacky, after the d+k your opponent will usually counter attack with something like low punch, what you can do now is dodge or ECD since the dodge system is much different than from vf3 and seems much more accurate in VF4. If you dodge correctly listen for Jacky's yell, then after an ECD (hold d/f) you can enter PG and you will get Jacky's Back Breaker (65 points) grab. If you just dodge you can either elbow or hit PKG for jacky's dodge attack.

    The basic concept though is move after canned combo's and low attack, more specifically move after using Jacky's low kick.

    Something like d+k, d/b d/b or d+k (dodge) or d+k (ecd) your basically hitting and moving all the time out of a low attack.

    After low punch, try a small backdash and after you see your opponent whiff a move use BKC (this is taken straight from a japanese magazine spotlite showed me from a jacky player who has a 70% win percentage and is a 7th dan player)

    Use his lowbackfist d/b+p more often too its much more like VF2 and seems uncounterable if its blocked. Use stuff like d+k, hold down P for the mid kick fake into low backfist.

    Also use Jacky's Sway Step more effectively, mix between d+k, k and jacky's mid punch (d/f d/f+p) if jacky's mid punch hits you can do f+p, p, d+k or lowback fist sweep (d/b+p, k)

    You can play a very fancy jacky just using a few of his moves

    down kick
    Sway Step (this can be out of pk, k, hold back or b+pkg)
    pp, d+k
    pp elbow
    low backfist (includes mid kick fake)
    BKC
    low punch
    elbow
    knee
    grab

    Obviously dont abuse jacky's PP canned combo's too much but they are really good at setting up dodge opportunities or getting a stagger (pp, elbow)

    Things to avoid

    Kickflip, Just dont use it unless its in a combo, the move has very little damage now to justify using it out of the blue.

    Elbow Heelkick, did you know akira can guarantee spod you after a blocked elbow heelkick, since the spod is no longer escapable?

    Lightling kicks or lightling storm again avoid both unless they are part of a combo.

    d/f+k, k (double sidekick) Throw counterable and pretty slow

    k, k, or k, d+k once you block the first kick a better player will probably reverse or block the follow-up since its so slow. If the kick hits you should probably use k, p, d+d anyway since it will take more damage)

    k, p, d+k A good player again will block this combo almost 100% of the time. The only time I would recommend using it is after a stagger or maybe in a combo, I think Knee k, p, d+k will hit a light or mid weight after MC. Not very useful though since Jacky has better options.

    f+p, p, d+k again most good players will block the whole combo. Use only in guaranteed situations like SS, d/f d/f+p mid punch as a followup combo)

    f+p, p, k obviously dont use it since people will block the whole thing or duck the kick expecting f+p, p, d+k.

    pp, f+p, p, k and pp, f+p, p, k, back again most people will block the whole thing, I can see some use once or twice with pp, f+p, p, k back since if people expect you to sweep instead of kick the will duck the kick and once they see you whiff they will try to attack but since jacky can SS out of the kick you might cause your opponent to whiff and you can follow up with d/f d/f+P or d+k, k. This would only be a once or twice thing.

    Hmm this ended up being like a mini guide to Jacky, oh well...hope it helps :)

    CrewNYC
     
  4. tragic

    tragic Well-Known Member

    If you guys can make it, come down to Southern Hills Golfland in Stanton, Orange County Friday/Saturday. I'll be there for the CVS2 tournament, and I'd love to play some of you guys in VF4 (they have it now!).

    ben
     
  5. akiralove

    akiralove Well-Known Member

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    that sounds like it might be good. Andy, tommorow's the last chance I mat have to meet with you. Do you feel like going to golfland to meet tragic? Only problem I have is the longer drive and I'm sure they have the stock layout for buttons, but 3/5 sounds good...

    Let me know tonight if you can.

    Spotlite
     
  6. adamYUKI

    adamYUKI Well-Known Member

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    Hey bryan,

    im still up pretty late tonight, I think I can make it over to SHGL tommorow, what time were you thinking of going? If you can leave sometime in the afternoon that would be great! What time is best for you?

    CrewNYC
     
  7. akiralove

    akiralove Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I would be best for me to try to get out there earlier, and leave around 5/5:30 as I have to work. I could give you a lift again if you want... let me know. I'l probably like to leave before noon if I go all the way to shgl.

    Bryan
     
  8. akiralove

    akiralove Well-Known Member

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    Andy,

    It's about 11 am and I'm gonna be leaving for golfland in the next hour... wish I had your phone # to call you.

    If I don't hear from you, golfland is off Beach Blvd. in Stanton, about 45 mins away to the south east.

    Take to 5 south (or another highway, there are a few ways to do it) to the 91 east, then exit beach and go south. It's on the same street as Knott's Berry Farm.

    As I'd like to meet tragic, I'm going. I'll probably be there until about 5.

    Bryan
     

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