LittleBigPlanet+Qur'an References=Recall

LBP recall

With a game targeted "E" for everyone, having references to lines like this "كل نفس ذائقة الموت"(Every soul shall have the taste of death)Is a big No, No. This developers don't realize they have Muslim gamers of all age's?

 

Why would the devs even put that in there? Just seems really stupid on the devs behalfs to even risk something like that whether it offends people or not.

 

They thought it sounded cool I guess, but didn't bother to research the song, and get it translated. This is common also in the Hip-Hop scene when they sample stuff with out knowing the translation.

 

I notice I actually have the album were they got the song from, is from world music artist Toumani Diabate's is from
this album. I think the reason is getting a lot of heat NOW is because games get more exposure then music in this day in age. I'm not Muslim, but I think is disrespectful if you mix the words of the Qur'an with music IIRC. Fulan, is the man to ask on this subject. The thing I don't understand is, Toumani is a devoted Muslim, if the case I stated earlier is true, then why did he do it?

 

http://www.muslimhiphop.com/index.php?p=What_is_MHH/Music_in_Islam

The subject of music's permissibility in Islam has drawn sizable debate from all corners of the Ummah. There are some scholars that say it is haram (forbidden) in all cases, some that say no musical instruments can be used, and some say it's halal (permissible) as long as it doesn't contain content which violates the principles of Islam (i.e. sex, drugs, violence, profanity). We take the latter viewpoint on this matter. While we are not scholars, we have consulted different scholars on the issue and have made an informed decision.

Take a moment to view the following resources that advocate this viewpoint:


I agree with them.
As do most Muslims.
Its only the really crazy peeps in the middle east and crackpots like the Taliban and stuff who believe it shouldnt exist.

 

Sigg'ed.

 

And now for the 10 milion dollar question:
Would this game have been recalled if there was any danger of offending christians?

 

Don't compare one religon with the other. The song in question is not offending the Musilm religon as a whole. Is the content what's offensive to their Muslim faith.

 

Yes it would have....

 

Sheikh Google bin Yahoo ftw huh.

You shouldn't talk out of turn. The oppinion that musical instruments are impermissible (talking bout instruments, singing is permissble) has always been the majority and more popular oppinion in Islamic jusrisprudence. Yes there is a minority oppinion that says otherwise and to follow it is fine but it doesn't allow one to say the other party is extremist. Difference of oppinion is valid in jusrisprudence as long as it has a base in scripture or reports from the Prophet and his companions.

(if you take the more lenient oppinion that still means 99% of western music is impermissible due to lyrical content so the point is moot really).

Anyways this is a different issue, mixing music with the Qur'an, you simply don't do that. ShinobiFist has that right. I honestly don't understand the arguement about age though. The fact that everyone dies is not something you hide from a child, death is everywhere. Besides if a child dies before puberty, before he becomes accountable that is a one way ticket to heaven, not that scary really.

And sp00n, no disrespect but Christians as a whole don't care anymore.

 

Quoted for truth.

Also, I don't see anything majorly wrong with the line they referenced. We all die in the end, don't we?

 

Oh the irony and hypocrisy of this blanket statement /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
Let's see if I can say something as ignorant as this about your religion and not sound as bad:

"No disrespect /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif but Muslims as a whole /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif can't co-exist in live-and-let-live harmony with others, including themselves, anymore. Let's face it, even if everybody would turn Muslim like they wanted, it still wouldn't matter..."

Pretty ignorant, huh? What's messed up is that before I bothered to educate myself on either religion, I would've thought there wasn't anything wrong with either the Christian or the Muslim remark.
Fulan, Ima tell you like this kid that, when it comes to religion, comes across as if he's infallible and has got all the answers told Fishie:
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About the game, I'm not a Muslim, I don't know what it's like to be a Muslim and I never will so if I have said anything offensive to anyone's faith here, my humble apologies.
I will say this though, there have been plenty of Christian movies and references in the media and plenty of people have protested and guess what? They still go through with whatever project they're going to do anyway. I think that's what's Spoon was saying, if this was a quote from the Holy Bible, would this game have been recalled?
No.
Is one religion more special than the next?
No.
But you can have cartoons of Jesus but not of the prophet Muhammad or all hell breaks loose.

 

I honestly believe you are wrong here, Jide.

 

Right, then why do all those Muslim countries(with Islamic government) have concerts, radiostations, music videos on TV etcetera?)
I mean, you cant drink or buy Pork in Saudi Arabia.
You can go to a concert though.

 

South Park, is going to have a field day with this subject. Anyway, I still belive SONY did the right thing. Fact of the matter is, a song of this nature(lyricaly)does not belong in a game rated "E".

 

Fulan, Sp00n, Tony..... so much venom in your comments

you motherfuckers need to chill the fuck out for real.

 

KtotheGizzle! It's not that serious fam, seriously /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
It's hard to convey how you really feel on a topic on the internet and that's one of the biggest reasons for the few misunderstandings that happen on this site.

Honestly, I feel how I feel and all but that's just an opinion. I hardly ever raise my voice when I speak. I'm a pretty mellow, easy-going, humorous guy BUT I do voice my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm angry or upset or I wish any harm on anybody.

What I stated is how I feel, some might say it's a fact that you can bash or make fun of Jesus and get away with it way easier than trying to make a movie or a cartoon about the prophet Muhammad.
I say this with the most calmest and "que sera, sera" attitude that I say most things with.
There's no hatred or anger in this post or the one before it. It's just how it is to me.
I care enough to THINK and TALK about it, but I don't care enough to get pissed off and rally the troops and... well, you get what I'm saying... I hope.
I used to be an existentialist up to about 3-4 years ago, couple that with a few near-death experiences and you got a guy who doesn't really take things as seriously as his stupid little posts on vfdc would lead you to think /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Not that it matters but I agree with Spoon and GodEater that this game would not have been recalled if it had offended Christians. I'll even say that if it offended any other religion than Muslim, this game would not have been recalled.

 

The amount of bad press Sony got over Resistance's Manchester church fiasco, it wasn't a risk they could take again.I feel they weren't willing to take that risk again. It's interesting now how games are under much more scrutiny nowadays.

 

Has nothing to do with Islamic Jurisprudence. Read the classical works of Fiqh of the Hanafi, Shafi`i, Maliki and Hanbali schools (the four schools of jurusprudence in Ahlus Sunnah) and see what opinions are collected on the issue of music.

Christians in general are very lax in what they consider disrepect. A lot of things they find harmless, a joke or a comment, is blatant disrespect in our eyes.
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But I'll also say muslim youth doesn't care about their religion anymore. You gonna get mad at me for speaking bad of muslims now too?

but hey if you and sp00n are that serious about it that´s something I can respect. If you believe in something take it serious.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fulan, Ima tell you like this kid that, when it comes to religion, comes across as if he's infallible and has got all the answers told Fishie:
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Fishjie is wrong about the issue of music, simple as that. Who here has read any basic primer text on Islamic Jusrisprudence? (google doesn't count)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">About the game, I'm not a Muslim, I don't know what it's like to be a Muslim and I never will so if I have said anything offensive to anyone's faith here, my humble apologies.
I will say this though, there have been plenty of Christian movies and references in the media and plenty of people have protested and guess what? They still go through with whatever project they're going to do anyway. I think that's what's Spoon was saying, if this was a quote from the Holy Bible, would this game have been recalled?
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It wouldn't have been recalled because music is a normal thing in churches and is often a part of worship.
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No.</div></div>
If you believe that than you should believe in nothing. I believe in Islam because it is the truth, and two contradictory statements can not both be true.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you can have cartoons of Jesus but not of the prophet Muhammad or all hell breaks loose.</div></div>
Jesus cartoons are just as offensive. They usually target christians with those though and use a christian depiction of him. But if it's something big you'll hear about it in the muslim community aswell.

Question for both Tony and sp00n, do you watch the episodes of south park and family guy where they include Jesus in their jokes?

 

Excuse me mister high and mighty but I have received ten years of after school/weekend Quran lessons from the local and imported imams.

Dont come here to lecture me about what I do or do not know when you dont have a clue about my Islamic believes.