Matrix Reloaded

WTF are they talking about. I must not have gotten enough sleep cuz it completely lost me for awhile.

 

Premiere here a week from Saturday, so until then, everyone STFU!

 

It wasnt all that

 

I liked it better than the first film which i liked quite abit. poor acting, poor dialogue, nice action scenes which are sparse just like in the first film(people seem to have forgotten how much non action was in the first movie) but it has a nice story for a huge movie. IMHO its prolly the best big action summer movies in as long as i can remember. plus colonel sanders is fucking great

 

GP: Instead of telling people to stfu, why don't you just not click on this thread?

The storyline is definitely more interesting and complex than I thought it would be. But the whole Zion part is long and boring. My gf is full attention in the beginning, then she felt asleep in the middle, then woke up, then felt asleep, then woke up at the end. The best scene Imo is when the agent jumped on the hood of another car, crushing it then leaped on to trinity's car. It looked so freaking cool. oh, what happened to smith? anyone can explain? And the whole a kiss for the keymaker scene is totally retarded.

 

Oh yah, also retarded, the whole thing about if you crash the matrix, everyone connected to it will die. Ok so we've this massive complex computer system running which has been upgraded 6 times, that controls the whole world, which is constantly been infested with virus (neo), and there is no backup systems what so ever??? What is this? Microsoft Matrix?

 

shang: imho agent smith is with neo. because agent smith took over the body of the traitor and the traitor is hooked up to a computer and so is neo. Real question is are they actually ouy of the matrix or still inside of it. Col.Sanders aka the architect seemed to be implying that the "real world" is just another illusion to keep the 1% of people who cant belive the matrix and still lets them be nice good batteries.

 

smith's whereabouts is confusing. during the architect part people were talking in my right ear.
So if the real world is another matrix, that would explain how neo destroyed the machines in the real world... i should go see it again by myself.

 

Is it worth seeing it at a IMAX theater? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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kungfusmurf said:

Is it worth seeing it at a IMAX theater? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Considering it's not an IMAX film - no. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Actually Llan, there is a IMAX ver. being released. Selected theaters only.

 

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shang: imho agent smith is with neo. because agent smith took over the body of the traitor and the traitor is hooked up to a computer and so is neo. Real question is are they actually ouy of the matrix or still inside of it. Col.Sanders aka the architect seemed to be implying that the "real world" is just another illusion to keep the 1% of people who cant belive the matrix and still lets them be nice good batteries.

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That's what I thought too. The machines have resigned themselves to the fact that they can't create a perfect Matrix that all humans will believe. So they allow the humans the fantasy of thinking they can break out of the Matrix and into the real world. Once Zion is destroyed, the simulation resets itself and starts over. It's already been reset five times before.

The Wachowski brothers might be trying to fool us, though. It could be that the Matrix changed Neo's brain in the same way that Smith was able to write himself over that guy's mind, allowing him to kill the Sentinels in the real world.

I still don't understand some of it. Why does a computer program (Merovingian) need a wife? Why does he need to have sex? Is the woman who gave him a blowjob in the ladies room a program or one of the humans connected to the Matrix? How would he know what sex feels like since he's never been outside of the computer?

Also, why would Smith want to sabotage the humans attack on the Sentinels? Since he has a human body now, if Zion is destroyed he'll be killed as well.

 

Really? It was filmed with IMAX cameras? IMAX films are filmed 70mm as opposed to the standard 35mm that most movies are filmed with. I'd be surprised if it was released as a true IMAX film (To The Limit, Antarctica, etc) - I can see it being *played* at IMAX theatres, that's cool.

** edit ** Aha. Found a site saying that the Matrix Reloaded will be digitally converted to the 70mm IMAX standard for an IMAX release. Neat. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

I actually liked the kiss scene in the movie... the woman playing Persephone is a downright hottiE with a capital E!

What I liked even more though, was the kiss scene in the Enter The Matrix game... it's hotter than the movie! (No spoilers here!)

 

Hmmm.
Bad: Morpheous speech in Zion (dull), Neo having to kiss Persephone (seemed out of place - as if they paused the movie, put that scene in then hit play again), Architect (Colonal Sanders) wasn't bad, but he wasn't very impressive either, Keymaster died /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif!!!

Good: New characters (twins, keymaster, unknown traiter guy in Zion, Persephone, guy protecting Oracle, horny french guy, Niobe etc.), 100 Agent Smiths - seemed to go on for ages, scene with Oracle, whole highway scene, humour "It's like wiping your arse with silk I love it", new sets, new scenes, new everything!

Anyway it was a fairly good film - would like to see it again though. As for Neo "feeling" and then destroying the sentinels - think I'll wait for the next film to explain it to me. If it's a Matrix inside a Matrix I think that might almost be a bit too much.

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I still don't understand some of it. Why does a computer program (Merovingian) need a wife? Why does he need to have sex? Is the woman who gave him a blowjob in the ladies room a program or one of the humans connected to the Matrix? How would he know what sex feels like since he's never been outside of the computer?

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I believe it's because he is a program, but he is an A.I. - in one of the Animatrix shorts it explains how the A.I. is based on human thought, so I assume he needs wife/sex as he thinks like a human. Wouldn't the Matrix be able to tell him what it feels like - in the first one about touch, smell, sight - all just electrical pulses sent to your brain by the matrix, assuming his program was constructed like human, he should be able to feel whatever the Matrix tells him to feel.

 

Revolutions better be the bomb or it will bomb, ssshhh. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Ok the traitor guy mentioned above is actually Agent Smith, from what I gather. He managed to "upload" thru the hardline after he cloned himself in that scene. So he's now in the 'real world' so to speak, with a different face.

As for Neo in the final scene, I'm kinda thinking "13th Floor" here myself (aka a simulation inside a simulation), which would be kinda lame, although not terrible. My alternate theory is that some of Neo's powers in the matrix somehow transferred into his consciousness... perhaps turning him into a x-man, (lol, sorry).


I do have a question regarding Agent Smith though. Now that he's an exile (aka an independent AI free of the matrix control) why is he still going after Neo? What is his purpose now? I didn't understand when he said Neo took something from him, and he wants it back?

As for the kiss scene, I thought it was enjoyable but not relevant also... however I'm willing to bet Persephone has a big impact(other than her bra size) in revolutions.

 

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I do have a question regarding Agent Smith though. Now that he's an exile (aka an independent AI free of the matrix control) why is he still going after Neo? What is his purpose now? I didn't understand when he said Neo took something from him or rather, and he wants it back?


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Actually I remember agent smith saying that he want the same thing as Neon not wanting something back. It seems like Agent Smith wants to be living being outside the matrix.

My instant impression of the movie out of the box was when Trinity got shoot by a Agent which knew was a dream and I was like the Wachowski Brothers must be losing their touch.

 

OK, just saw the movie and this is my quick interpretation:

The real world IS the real world, but the Matrix/Architect allows Zion and "the One" to exist because without them anomolies in the program will inevitably grow and fester to the point that it will destroy the Matrix.

Hence they allow humans in the real world to exist as a measure of self-control; invariably, anomolies grow until "the One" is produced. The choice to not destroy all of humanity (i.e. destroy the Matrix) is made early on and the program encourages the One to seek out the Architect and restart the destroyed Zion with 23 others. The Matrix is perserved and the cycle of rebellion begins again.

(The explanation for Neo being able to stop those machines in the real world is that a deal has already been made; i.e. Neo and the 23 others--presumably people on that surviving ship--is able to restart Zion. Hence Neo is given the power to survive/stop those machines.)

I'm guessing that it will be different this time around primarily because of Agent Smith, who is disconnected from the Matrix and has an agenda of his own (presumably to own the Matrix himself--i.e. those with power just want more power).

Also different is Neo's ability to revive dead people--obviously not foreseen by the Architect.

How does all this sound?

P.S. One question I have centers around the two choices the Architect gave Neo. In one choice, to agree to restart Zion. The other, to destroy the Matrix and hence all of humanity. In the second choice, was the destruction of Zion implied? If so, how?

P.P.S. My assumption is that Neo went with the first option: i.e. choose not to destroy the Matrix and implicitly restart Ziob with the added incentive of an attempt at saving Trinity.

 

Additional thought: Part of why I discount the Matrix in a Matrix theory is the way the attack on Zion is executed. If the "real world" is really just part of the program, it wouldn't be necessary to go through all this trouble just to get rid of it. It wouldn't be necessary for a traitor to activate the EMP thing early. Also, the Architect wouldn't need to mention how it was getting easier for them to get rid of Zion.

If Zion is part of the Matrix or a back-up of the Matrix and if the program was meant to reboot and kill all those in Zion, it would just reboot. There's no reason to go through the formalities of war or even to offer the One a choice for that matter.