MoVES THAT dont throw clash / Wall combos

Discussion in 'Vanessa' started by Mackfactor, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. Mackfactor

    Mackfactor Well-Known Member

    what are they in DM and OFF stance
    ty.

    What are her wall combo's in DM/OM
    which moves create wall stagger.
     
  2. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    DS

    [2] [P]
    [1_] [K]
    [2] [K] [+] [G]
    [2] [K] (this can whiff against far reaching throws/catch throws and, since it recovers high, you can get thrown while in recovery :ROTFL:)
    [4] [K] [+] [G]
    [4] [3] [P] [+] [K]
    [8] [K] (this is considered a jumping attack from the first frame, even if it can lose to lows)
    [3] [P] (throw clashing is calculated via some complicated formula that takes into consideration the attack's speed - and this attack is fast so i wouldn't be surprised if it beat throw up to -8, or better. Please note that it has a shorter reach than throws though :ROTFL: so you can get thrown out of recovery too)

    OS

    [2] [P]
    [1_] [K]
    [2] [K]
    [2] [K] [+] [G]
    [4] [3] [P] [+] [K] (up to -8)
    [4] [6] [P] [+] [K] (probably not up to -11 though, i'd wager -8)
    DM p+k (again, probably not up to -11)
    [6] [6] [P] [+] [K] (again, not up to -11)
    [6] [6] [K] [+] [G] is low but Marlyjay says it clashes (my guess is, even if did beat throw clash, your opponent still has time to recover from his throw attempt and block low :ROTFL:)

    Vanessa moves that wall stagger

    DS

    [1] [P] [+] [G]
    [3] [K] (Those two stagger consistently)
    [4] [P] (This one stagger consistently AND creates a HUGE stagger)
    [P] [+] [K]
    [2] [K] [+] [G]
    [6] [6] [P]
    DM [P] [+] [K]

    The above are moves are can also wall staggger but they don't do consistently. I don't know how that works, apologies.

    OS

    [6] [6] [P] (This one works consistently and does a wall stagger as big as DS df+k, maybe even longer. Please note that the pushback on this move is HUGE)
    [4] [P] (Same as with DS, this gives a HUGE stagger. The main difference between stances is that OS has [4] [3] [P] [+] [K] rebounce floats :LOL: )
    [2] [K] [+] [G]
    OM [P]
    [4] [K]
    [P] [+] [K]

    Are some other moves i've seen cause a wall stagger but once again i can not vouch for them.

    As far as wall stagger combos are concerned i'm afraid i am totally clueless, i just do [P] [+] [K], [P] [K] [G] when in DS and [P] [+] [K], [P] when in OS ( [3_] [K], [K] is better but my hands sort of keep doing p+k :X3:)

    Happy New Year!
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2015
  3. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    After some actual testing with the help of Marlyjay :holla:
    Vanessa moves that beat throw-clash

    DS

    [2] [P]
    [1_] [K]
    [2] [K] [+] [G]
    [4] [K] [+] [G]
    [4] [3] [P] [+] [K]
    [3] [P] (up to and including -8)
    [8] [K] (up to and including -7, sometimes -9 :ROTFL:)

    OS

    [2] [P]
    [1_] [K]
    [4] [3] [P] [+] [K] (up to and including -7, sometimes -8 :ROTFL:)
    DM [P] [+] [K] (up to and including -7, sometimes -8 :ROTFL:)

    Please disregard my previous post :X3:
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2015
  4. Mackfactor

    Mackfactor Well-Known Member

    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    dam, wow thanks guys. gonna print this
    ( :
    appreciate it
     
  5. Jeneric

    Jeneric Well-Known Member

    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    This should beat throw clash always, make sure to double tap [K] to get the move out at it's fastest.
     
  6. Mackfactor

    Mackfactor Well-Known Member

    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    was watching some youtube clips of vanessa.
    I seen this wall combo done on JACKY/EILEEN

    OS 66p, 3p+k, pppk.
    look like a pretty good wall combo. duno if its the best one but.. i seen it twice
     
  7. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    Are you sure the ender wasn't OS [4] [6] [P] [P] [P] [K] ? I think the normal punch string whiffs due to the third hit being high.
     
  8. Mackfactor

    Mackfactor Well-Known Member

    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    didnt want to create a new thread since its prob been answered but i cant find the answer to this.... quick question?

    OS: 6KKPP
    ... when does it become a Natural combo? does it have to be CH on the first one?? or second hit?

    What are her Natural Combos?
     
  9. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

    To my knowledge it hasn't, so I think we should answer this in a new thread :)
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2015

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