MoVES THAT dont throw clash / Wall combos

what are they in DM and OFF stance
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What are her wall combo's in DM/OM
which moves create wall stagger.

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

Spoiler: For a list of Vanessa moves that beat throw-clash please read the following post

DS




(this can whiff against far reaching throws/catch throws and, since it recovers high, you can get thrown while in recovery )


(this is considered a jumping attack from the first frame, even if it can lose to lows)
(throw clashing is calculated via some complicated formula that takes into consideration the attack's speed - and this attack is fast so i wouldn't be surprised if it beat throw up to -8, or better. Please note that it has a shorter reach than throws though so you can get thrown out of recovery too)

OS





(up to -8)
(probably not up to -11 though, i'd wager -8)
DM p+k (again, probably not up to -11)
(again, not up to -11)
is low but Marlyjay says it clashes (my guess is, even if did beat throw clash, your opponent still has time to recover from his throw attempt and block low )

Vanessa moves that wall stagger

DS


(Those two stagger consistently)
(This one stagger consistently AND creates a HUGE stagger)



DM

The above are moves are can also wall staggger but they don't do consistently. I don't know how that works, apologies.

OS

(This one works consistently and does a wall stagger as big as DS df+k, maybe even longer. Please note that the pushback on this move is HUGE)
(Same as with DS, this gives a HUGE stagger. The main difference between stances is that OS has rebounce floats )

OM



Are some other moves i've seen cause a wall stagger but once again i can not vouch for them.

As far as wall stagger combos are concerned i'm afraid i am totally clueless, i just do , when in DS and , when in OS ( , is better but my hands sort of keep doing p+k )

Happy New Year!

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

After some actual testing with the help of Marlyjay
Vanessa moves that beat throw-clash

DS






(up to and including -8)
(up to and including -7, sometimes -9 )

OS



(up to and including -7, sometimes -8 )
DM (up to and including -7, sometimes -8 )

Please disregard my previous post

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

dam, wow thanks guys. gonna print this
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appreciate it

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

This should beat throw clash always, make sure to double tap to get the move out at it's fastest.

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

was watching some youtube clips of vanessa.
I seen this wall combo done on JACKY/EILEEN

OS 66p, 3p+k, pppk.
look like a pretty good wall combo. duno if its the best one but.. i seen it twice

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

Are you sure the ender wasn't OS ? I think the normal punch string whiffs due to the third hit being high.

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

didnt want to create a new thread since its prob been answered but i cant find the answer to this.... quick question?

OS: 6KKPP
... when does it become a Natural combo? does it have to be CH on the first one?? or second hit?

What are her Natural Combos?

 

Re: moves that don't throw clash / wall staggers

To my knowledge it hasn't, so I think we should answer this in a new thread