Okay. Sorry to do this, but I couldn't find much about this topic (I realize it's stupid, but one of my friends believes the low punch (LP) is "cheap" ) while one of the others abuses this move... I insist that LPing isn't cheap and can be quite easily escaped and punished. Basically, he doesn't like to play VF4Evo because he thinks, and I quote, "There isn't a single other game that where every character has one move that is so dominant". So basically, I want help changing his mind. He's a big GGX2 fan, and pretty damn good too. I like the game and all, but I prefer Evo for its complexity... in every situation there is something you can do to counter whatever the opponent is doing. Note: this isn't saying GGX2 isn't complex (and fun) as hell, I just prefer 3D complexity. First: please list various situations in which a lot of newbies like to low punch. Second: then please list various methods of escaping said crouching punch (or anticipating or setting up said situation and then punishing). Here are mine: 1. During particularly disadvantageous situations (particularly when forced to crouch, massive stagger, or high block stun (example: Brad's slipping right kick)). Another one would be a blocked or missed jab where they use a low punch to attempt to regain the adv. 1A. Bk dash or bk crouch dash. After most low punches it is very easily to (a) stagger the oppt after a missed crouch punch or (b) low throw the oppt. 2. A simple jab or low jab to a throw. Very simple and highly effective tactic at low-level play. 2A. As far as I have seen, you can just jab your way out. Additionally, you could easily just use a fast mid move (elbows, etc.) to further punish your oppt's next move (be it throw or whatever) and score a CH. So another question I would ask would be: any basic strats for Aoi players against the typical (sigh) jab to throw or low punch to etc...? I would say just use b,b /versus/images/commands/p.gif+/versus/images/commands/k.gif or back dash to her chop (df /versus/images/commands/p.gif+/versus/images/commands/k.gif I think) Edit: Dandy J, that was very helpful. I hope other's will reply as well. And I use Kliff... I get murderlized by his characters especially Testament (stupid web trap) and his Ky (his first character since the first GG) which isn't surprising since Kliff is Kliff... and he owns the game (and he owns VF4Evo now so he should get plenty of practice). However, I am working on my Sol. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif He's sweet. Like candy. But with more whoop-ass than sugar.