My Problem with "MOST" VFDC Members

When I joined back in January I used this forum for information while posting minimally. Time has passed and I'm getting to the point where I don't need VFDC for the information as much, I'm sure there are a lot of you veterans that haven't looked at a FAQ or Moves list for a while. The point I'm trying to make is that while being new to VF4, VFDC was my lifeline. Now this is not the case, not only do I have it at home along with most other posters on here, I can find out scenarios and moves using the game.

So this leaves the obvious question, "Why should I come to VFDC and actively be a user on here"? Well, the answer is simple really. I come here to interact and post with people that share the same interest as I do, Virtuafighter. I find it to be worthwhile to spark interest and competition on this forum. While I understand the Discription of the different forums, I generally stay in the Jamboree to post. Im no FAQ virtuoso or Artist so mainly I use my enthusiasm on here and try to put that in my posts.

What I'm seeing and feeling is a really negative outlook from the veterans(mainly) and also some other members of this site towards newbies. I've heard from too many people that they hate posting on VFDC. They hate posting on here for these reasons IMO.

1) Veterans and other members constantly intervene in newbie discussions where they are not needed, being post critics. I personally hate posting and knowing everytime I post my opinion, some veteran is going to critique my post while slapping their cocks on the table openly putting themselves in a wiser position and opinionated higher skill level, usually being better than everyone currently involved in the discussion. Most of the veterans don't even play anymore, jesus!

2) Veterans shouldn't feel they deserve anything, I'm glad that more people got involved in VFDC after the release of VF4. It really benefited everyone, we got a newer version for the site(Upgraded a few times). If anything veterans should like the newbies and atleast encourage them to be on here, active, and get them into the game. Veterans don't deserve anything, "Your not saving the world", your playing virtuafighter. I heard so many veterans and established members complaining about all the stupid newbies blah, blah, blah. I complained, I'll be honest, but I was still happy they saw the beauty in virtuafighter. And I sure as hell didn't complain on this forum about the newbies.

3) From the start I've never felt that I was a member of VFDC. It's an elite club of guys that've been around since the beginning. Basically it is unattainable for guys that haven't been around for 6 years or so. Point made: Your turning potential gamers off from the game with your antics. STOP!! please =).

4) Only at VFDC do guys that don't play the game get more credit than the guys that practice everyday!! I've never seen anything like it. On all the other forums, "THIS IS NOT THE CASE". I came from Tekken and am now a virtuafighter. I'm glad to be a member of VFDC, and play virtuafighter with my friends, it's fun. But posting on VFDC is not a fun aspect of playing virtuafighter. "AND IT SHOULD BE!!".

Hopefully I speak for more people than myself with this post. later.

 

well i agree with your #3 the most.

People that come to this site shouldn't have to feel like they have to live up to some mystery expectation to become a respected member of VFDC. As soon as they enter the site, and become a member, they should be treated just like everyone else......someone who enjoys Virtua Fighter and likes reading and discussing topics of the same genre. I honestly think there should not be any user ratings or post count, it acts as a wall, and causes a vague discrimination of members who should be treated with the same respect as the veterans. Although i do think you take a few of the topics you listed a bit harsh, i have a somewhat understanding of where your coming from. This is only the internet, but hey, some people spend most of there days at a computer, and for them...it's unfair.

 

Agreed with most of what you guys said. I think it sucks to be reading new threads by newbies about certain subjects and then having some "vetern" poster come in and post a message saying, "this is already been discussed, look it up somewhere else", or "damn, this subject is old, leave it alone". I mean, come on. If you know the subject is old and there's someone posting on that subject and it's a new thread, guess what? They are newbies. Leave them alone. The other stupid poster (imo) is the ones who keeps insisting that it was dumb to resurrect an old thread. Well, if it's dumb, why post a thousand times to say it's dumb. You are only keeping it there longer.

"Then we have angry softball guy. This guy is middle aged and has been angry all of his life because his high school baseball coach screwed him up on a chance to play in the major leagues. So he takes playing the weekend softball game like it's the freaking game 7 of the world series. Listen scrub, just because you hit 800 homeruns in this softball league of yours, doesn't mean that the Yankees will call you up to replace Bernie Williams at center field".

Opps.. sorry guys.. that wasn't part of the discussion. It was just me typing away. Have a good day.

 

no offense but did you ever think that respect isn't something you get immediately but something you earn, i mean personally i dont think anyone really expects anything from the new members (at least i didn't feel that way when i first registered here) the fact of the matter is new members have the same freedoms as the other old members, and another thing how do you expect all of these people that's been in the community for a while to adjust to one new member, not everyone's gonna be able to adjust to some one new, example : in your post ono, about win loss recodrs of other members, me and Highking willingly gave ours, while some said uncalled for remarks, so what i'm trying to say is instead of new members expecting the whole community to adjust to the new member, new members should try to adjust to the community as well, just a thought, basically what i mean is if you new members post something and get negative replies don't take it personally, deal with it, coz i'm sure most of the members here has experienced the same predicaments most new members are experiencing, bottom line is you may not be known yet and have not been getting much respect, in time this will change, like i said respect needs to be earned. and also let's cut these veteran's some slack, after all we still benefit from they're knowledge, right? awright chill people PEACE /versus/images/icons/cool.gif

 

Yes, i thank you Death_raven, for not totally harrasing me with my post, although i do not feel it was a pointless thread. Anyway...

Quote by Death_raven...."bottom line is you may not be known yet and have not been getting much respect, in time this will change, like i said respect needs to be earned"

why should i have to earn respect off the internet?? I am not hurt by not recieving respect nor will i ever be, but respect definitly does not need to be earned on a place where each member knows didly sqwat about any other member. For all you know, there may be a member on here that has a better record than chibita, and has gotten it from defeating many other great players. What if he is a humble guy. Does he really need to brag about it just to get some guys to like him. i feel he definitly does not. i believe there is, or at least was a saying that stated "Everyone is equal". There should be no placement on this site, yet there is. If the veterans have no patience for newbies, then they simply do not have to respond to a dumb question. I'm almost positive there will someone nice enough to give them an answer with out the smart alec remark to add with it.

im simply stating what i feel is right.

 

Think about it, if there weren't any experienced veterans to put newbies in there place, these forums would be another Gamefaqs.com piece of garbage. I really believe the veterans do help when they flame newbies, it's really a way of maintaining balace in these forums, consider the amount of affluent newbies, they would wreak havoc in these forums if it weren't for the veterans who do what they have been doing. That's just an opinion of mine.

 

everyone IS equal here, its just that like you said you feel respect here in the community should not be earned and is not much of a neccesity since we dont really know each other, and i'm sure there's a lot that thinks this as well, but think about it the other way around, when you become a Veteran it would mean you've been a part of the community for a while which means, in a way what they have to say is valuable (even if it comes out a bit harsh), not that you dont have valuable comments, its just that even if a new member has a better record than chibita and he humbly hides it and has many valuable things to share, they would still have to adjust to the community, same way a salt water fish is when put to normal water they try to adapt, and the thing is there's always 2 chances 1) fish being able to adapt 2) not being able to adapt at all, dont get me wrong its not that the old hand people doesnt try to adjust to new members, they do actually an example is my first post ( what are jacky's most efficient midair combos) i was surprised as i got all positive and nice replies, as i expected that the topic would have been tackled before, and that i would get the typical try searching reply, but i didn't, i saw their effort of adjustment so i adjusted to them as well, its like a give and take situation, maybe most of the times they contradict you or slam your info with theirs but that doesn't mean they didn't consider the your info as good info, i think of it as merely a correction, and sometimes it will come out offensive, or harsh, so dont take it personally just be as headstrong and agressive as they are. simple and true. /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

 

HighKing, you do have a good point, but I think the people that come to this site and STAY are actually serious about the gameplay of Virtua Fighter. Sure, there is always going to be the type that come here by accident, or are just looking for ideas about which character they should choose, but those aren't enthusiastic about how complex the VF series actually is. I believe someone who registers with the site, and does his study-ing about the information he desires, and then posts a question for which he does not know the answer, deserves the same respect as anyone else. BUT, the members who just posts a question about finding items, when there is a dedicated FAQ strictly for items right in front of them, deserves a bit of flaming. Now those members aren't the enthusiasts that this site needs. So you are right about that.

But i think the majority of this sites veterans have transformed themselves into believing all new members are the same, Dumb and have not played VF for but an hour or two. Thats what i feel needs to change.

 

Death_raven; i just think that the new members that come here should have atleast some understanding of how serious the people on this board are about playing VF. Now if they actually did, i feel that all the flaming would stop, mainly because the new members would cease all the dumb and useless questions, thus an ending to actual ratings, and a site with equal VF knowledge people. Though that is not completely possible because there is always someone who knows a better time to do a combo or throw etc., but everyone would get it.

For someone that is becoming a member that is earning respect simply by there knowledge of the game does not need to flame. He earns respect by his trail of information on the site, not by yelling at someone. Respect is earned, but there are limits.

 

i agree, i really have said every opinion of mine about the matter so i'll just leave it at that. /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif but wht you said has a strong point and what you stated should be how it is done.

 

you know what its even more amusing watching you asses flame newbies when your a noob yourself......rock on death_raven and highking.....i think kumite is calling you.....

 

i am. i apologize for possibly being taken the wrong way. i just see people acting like theyve been here forever and they havent. Maybe I'm wrong. I do agree, though, they do seem to have improved, especially in grammar......(I don't know if that was necessary).....I also agree with peoples laziness. This is a known thing with people in general. They want to be told what to do instead of learning it themselves. I think I may just have a problem with someone giving someone else hell, when they themselves were just geting hell forthe SAME exact thing.....

 

Ah yes, the respect aspect...

This is in reply to this whole matter, not just your post, Blonde One, which indeed contained many good points.

I think people are confusing the concepts here a bit. One should respect another person, regardless of his sex, race, age, whatever. That's just a basic rule. But I think the 'respect' that we're refering to here is a different concept, and I believe it comes from knowledge and proven understanding of the game.

It has been quoted many times before, but I chose to do so again, since it's really thoughtful;

"If you aren't willing to invest the effort to try and learn anything about the game on your own, you don't deserve our help to get better" ~Dodee

"our help to get better" could easily be translated to the "respect" I think this is all about.
When a 'newbie' registers here, thus becomes a member of VFDC, the first impression is quite cruical. If his first post is "AKIRA ROXXORZ!" naturally he'll be regarded as a complete idiot. Not only by veterans, I might add.

If you want respect, you should treat others with respect aswell. If you were to send a letter to someone, asking for guidance or help, naturally you'd put some effort into it instead of just typing "I WANT COMBOS FOR LEI". It's as obvious as saying 'thank you' when someone gives you something or helps you out.

Someone pointed out that "for all we know, a new member of VFDC could have a better record than Chibita".. Well that's true, but I highly doubt he'd be asking for "COMBOS FOR LEI".

The 'hate' geared towards newbies is something that's been built up over quite some time, and it's not hate towards newbies as such, (as we've all been newbies at one point) it's frustration against the ignorance displayed among many of the new visitors at VFDC.

I'm by no means a veteran, I'm not even that great at VF, really. But not once have I been treated badly or been met with disrespect, simply because (I think) I treat the community and the quite special atmosphere here with respect myself. Whenever I've been asking questions, I've been careful with the phrasing and been polite in my posts, and I think therefore have I been treated accordingly.

Granted, it is hard to get recognition by 'the elite', but in a way, that makes it the more enjoyable when you eventually do. However, you don't need to be best friends with the veterans here to be a great virtua fighter... It appears that some people forget that.

I could go on and on with this post, but I won't, for everyone's well being. /versus/images/icons/grin.gif

 

Quote from Mirkan..."Granted, it is hard to get recognition by 'the elite' ".....

i agree somewhat, but recognition and respect are two different things. Now i do wish that new members that come to this site would at least have some internet Bulliten Board knowledge. I know I've been a member of at least 20 other sites, not necessarily for Virtua Fighter, but still run pretty much the same way. Now if those new members that have been on another board, or at least been a visitor, learned how to look for info himself, instead of acting like a blind man, and posting the first question that pops into his head, then there would not be any problems. "I have a dream,...that all newbies will research before they ask......."

i can dream can't I?

 

1) Veterans and other members constantly intervene in newbie discussions where they are not needed, being post critics.

1. I agree it's shitty if veterans jump in and correct piddling little spelling errors, or say "It's CROUCH dash not SQUAT DASH#!@!@#!$@". But most of the time they're not bitching about spelling, they're correcting factual errors or slapping down uninformed opinions like "JACKY IS SO CBHEAPGP#"

2. Veterans shouldn't feel they deserve anything
If you feel vets deserve nothing, why should they listen to anything you have to say? After all, what you're writing here is essentially a 'list of demands' - "stop trashing newbies" "don't be so arrogant" etc. Why do you deserve that courtesy?

3.Your turning potential gamers off from the game with your antics
The few newbies who come in and start acting intelligent from day one haven't had any problem with club snobbiness... as for turning people away, gah, we only have a few zillion registered posters. I don' think they're scared yet. If they are, maybe a little reticence in posting is a good thing. Like myke said, ten minutes of research beats five minutes of newbie posting.

4. Only at VFDC do guys that don't play the game get more credit than the guys that practice everyday!!

Playing every day doesn't mean you're godly, or even good. I'll take a tournament winner over a guy who beats up his buddies 10 hours a day.

 

to quote my nigga:

yes..there is an elite club n u r not a part of it!SHIT THE FUCK UP plz !! [ FUCKING NOOB !

 

This is what I'm talking about, a veteran such as Piccolo here. I flew to NYC in May to do nothing but play VF4. Your monkey ass didn't even bother to show up while I was there, not to mention alot of people were there from around the US. If anybody took the time and made the effort to come to Florida for VF4, I'd sure as hell try to visit and play them as much as possible. It's this kind of Veteran/member of VFDC that turns people off from the game here in the states.

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yes..there is an elite club n u r not a part of it!SHIT THE FUCK UP plz !! You fucking noob.

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What the hell kind of Attitude is that? What makes you think I'm a noob when you didn't even play me? You guys are assholes, Where is the love? Where is the incentive when this is what you get from Veterans of this game when you do make the effort? Fuck YOU!! /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

 

aah its shit like this that would make it awakuard for ppl to meet up, how do you think im gonna react when if i ever meet you? happy to see you? "oh hi! you're the guy that called me ass monkey and said fuck you, nice to meet you!!" ppl here know that i only attend the gatherings depending on who goes to it, if i dont like them i simply dont attend, i dont like feeling uncomfortable and at the one you attended in nyc there was 2 ppl that i found not "cool". you and someone else. you, mr. blondeone strike me as a 2 face trash stalker, the kind i hate, talks cool with the players in real life but once it goes online starts talking shit behind their backs (you know what). also, you just dont curse me out, that would get you hurt real bad, i have a short temper for ppl dissing me. im soooooooooo fucking cool if your cool with me, see what i mean. so dont shit talk me, you might not be happy to see me the next NYG.

got it ? good

 

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im soooooooooo fucking cool if your cool with me

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yah~~~

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