Noob problems with some Vanessa moves....help plea

i guys! i'm new here /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
and vf5 (xbox360) is my first vf.....

i'm learning Vanessa and i'm not very bad with her even online......but i have problems performing these moves:

1)
defensive stance:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif during counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif during counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

offensive stance:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif during counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

......my problem is that if i try them in Dojo, selecting one of these 3 moves as locked move, then i success in performing the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif counter hit throw........but if i try them, selecting any other move (example first dojo move: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif)....then i fail in performing this counter hit throw....... (instead, i have no problems with: (defensive stance) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, (offensive stance) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif , (offensive stance) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif .... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif .....even when i select any other move or i'm playing a normal match....)

WHY? .....i don't think is a timing matter.....i use the same timing and i also tried a lot different timing.......also it's impossible that when selecting one of these, i never fail them......

so i'm starting thinking that when selecting them, then the dummy (dural) is automatically set for this counter hit throw.........so maybe i fail because i don't know that these counter hit throws must be performed in a particular way that isn't explained in the dojo.......so can you explain it to me?


2) also i noticed that (defensive stance) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif moves, when selecting one of these counter hit throws (example: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif...during counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif), make the enemy Collapse (Crumple)......instead, if i select any other move (or i play a normal match), then no Collapse/Crumple.......why? maybe i was right thinking that when selecting one of these counter hit throws, the dummy is set in a different way that i don't know....

3) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (hold) ......then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to cancel it.......it never works for me......i can successfully cancel the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (hold) then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif to cancel and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (don't hold) then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif before hitting ........
but this /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif cancel while holding doesn't work for me /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

4)when i perform the (offensive stance) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif tackle grab, sometimes accidentally i pressed something that made Vanessa grab the enemy and instantly roll on the side with the enemy in her hands instead of the normal takedown stance........how do i perform this different roll grab instead of normal takedown?


.....sorry...i know that i'm a VF noob and probably these problems are very stupid.......but i'm learning VF system for the first time.....and so i don't understand everything yet /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

also sorry for my english /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

tnx

 

Ummmm your problem for 1 and 2 is that you are hitting them on normal hit not counter hit. Counter hit occurs when they are trying to strike you and the move you input comes out faster. Thats the reason its not working.

For number 3 im sure you mean /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. while holding/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.giflet go of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif while still holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif then tap /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif again.

For number 4 im not sure what exactly your talking about because if you tackle them from the front they will just get taken down normally. However, if you do this move from there back she will roll them over and snap there neck without going into a mounted position.

 

Re: Noob problems with some Vanessa moves....help

Low sweep answered your #2, i'll try my hand with the other ones (until some one more qualified, like Jeneric or Sebo, answers):

Try doing this move with a pad: i map my + to a shoulder button so i get the move 100%. This should help you with the timing.

Vanessa does that if she tackles an enemy from behind

As far as your #1 is concerned, keep practicing; personally i still havent found the timing for the OS + hit throw.

 

Re: Noob problems with some Vanessa moves....help

ohhhh tnx you guys! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

1 & 2: .....so this mean that choosing these moves in dojo, the dummy is automatically set as in counter hit......so it consider that the starting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is a counter......while without choosing them, you aren't in counter hit.....

but......why if i choose different moves, i can perform:

DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

without problems?
seems strange to me......if i can't perform the other counter hit throws due to the lack of counter hit.....why can i perform these? aren't the same move types?

for example......during a match or dojo (choosing different move as tutorial move....like a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif move )......if i try these 3 moves, they work.....but if i try the other 3, they don't work, until i choose them as tutorial moves.

mmmmmm......can you explain this? please /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

3)mmmm i'm already using a pad (madcatz gamepad pro....with excellent d-pad).....and i set /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif on B button.....but to release /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and still holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, then pressing again /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif seems impossible to me if i use B button for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif instead pressing these 2 buttons together.......mmmm

4)understood! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif tnx

 

Re: Noob problems with some Vanessa moves....help

You can perform those 3 moves because with no problem because they can be done on normal hit.

The other three moves that link to the throw only occur during Counter Hit. As in you and your opponent both attack (you using one of the three moves that require counter hit)at almost the same time but your move comes out a little faster. You will score a COUNTER HIT and then can proceed to do the throw that comes after that.

If you don't get this i can explain it another way. In training (free training not the command list one) go to the part where you can select counter hit for your opponent. Now don't hit the character but come very close to it. You will notice that the character you are attacking will kick. This is done so that you can score a counter hit. Counter hit = you hit them while they are trying to attack you. I don't know if i can explain it any simpler than that.

As for number 3 you can't do that with K+G mapped to a certain button. You have to do by actually pressing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif then tapping /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif again while still holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

 

Re: Noob problems with some Vanessa moves....help

ohhhh tnx! understood! infact now looking at the move list http://virtuafighter.com/commands/index.php?ver=5b&chara=vanessa

i saw that these 3 are on hit while those fucking 3 are on counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

i will pratice more than!!!! tnx you guy! you resolved my problem /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif