NTSC.Uk Evo Review

I think he's a little technical and once again the save issue escapes publicity, read and enjoy!
NTSC Virtua Fighter Evolution Review

 

Good Review, except this
Cons:
- Unaccessible to many gamers due to its intimidating depth

Why is this a con?
Intimidating Depth=Good, Why all of us spend so much damn time with this! I would list this as a PRO personally!!! /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

That's a con because it potentially limits sales. Don't let anyone ever tell you that that's not what game devs really care about.

 

Yeah the thing with that being reviewers tend to think we want games that are easy to play and pick up fast like DOA or Tekken.In most UK reviews you'll see people putting " you'll find yourself in the training mode more than you'd think " etc... as if practice is a bad thing!They always say vf is hard to get into as well if your a newbie but to be quite honest I don't know why thay always say this.I played Tekken and DOA for years then started vf 4 with Sarah the day it came out over here and had no problems changing game mechanics.The vf system is by far the greater imo though this won't stop mags who like to consider themselves " hardcore gamers " from discouraging new players which is down right stupid! /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

Hi mate

This was my review and I`ve written it with most gamers in mind- not only those who like fighting games. I have no doubt that anyone who likes fighters and has gotten some way into one or two before will find Evo accessible enough, but I`ve written this con as a point to deter those who have a button bashing mentality or those who aren`t interested in working hard to get better from buying this game.

Cheers

 

Excellent review, and good reason for putting depth as a con. The casual players, by far, outnumber the dedicated players.

 

I agree, everyone should be able to enjoy the game not only fighting game veterans. Yes, the game is still extremly deep and technical but I think Am2 made a great effort in making VF4 more popular and newbie friendly. I'm all for it, the more VF fans the better.

 

I just don't think using the word CON is the right way to say what you are all sayin. imo when you use pro and con it is to weigh your decision. a pro is a reason to get the game and a con is a reason not to get it. its depth is not a reason to not buy the game,

 

I have to agree. There's something of a problem with games being pitched towards casual players who have no real skills or the patience necessary to develop them. Far too many games today are far too easy. Of course, Virtua Fighter's learning curve has often been a turn-off for those people, but I would attribute it to nothing more than laziness. Sega went to all the trouble of teaching players the game; the least they can do is learn.

The point in making depth a "con" is a good one, but I think the greater issue here is the casual gamer. That's what we need to work on -- making them better and more patient players.

This is a good review, by the way. Thanks for posting it.

 

I don't think converting casual gamers to VF is the way to go at all, capcom and namco players are turned off by VF's learning curve and honestly if VF does catch on at all, this place will be full of idiots like SRK is. "Hardcore" gaming will still be around for a while, but I have a feeling that games like VF will die eventually in favor of conventional, easy-to-play titles for people who really don't give a damn.

 

Hi mate

I'll say u did ur best in telling readers the beauty of the game. n unlike other sites, I for one am glad that u didn't mark the game down becos ' it's so hard' *cough gamespy ikaruga review cough*.

I think I am most delighted by the fact that

A) U took time to exlain the mechanics of the game (unlike many sites that say 'this game is deep' but never bothers to explain....causing me to believe that they either say it's deep becoz it's the most popular game in Japan at the moment, or becos suddenly, everyone is on the sega bandwagon. A few yrs ago, Sega could do nothing right.

B) Other reviews realistically, lack the time n motivation to dive deep into the game n discover for themselves. N realistically, I don't blame them. Learning to play a fight game the right one is not everyone's cup of tea. Yet What I dun get it, how can they say it's deep within a few sentences...n then........focus on kumite as the sole selling factor? This is the one refreshing factor abt ur review that really struck a chord with me. Finally, a reviewer that doesn't go on n on n on on on n on n on n on abt kumite. Players play a game over n over n over again becos they want to better themselves in the game, not unlock items.

I for one, do not find his tone of 'this game is too hard' any discouraging for any aspiring VFers. I think it serves as a *notice* for ppl who are wondering why ppl say it's so hard. N for Tokuda to explain it in some details is very welcome.

I think the key issue that Tokuda did was while explaining the game n reviewing it in technical detail, he was at the same time, encouraging ppl to be bold enough to try it...n understand why thousands upon of thousands of players in Japan n Asia have jumped upon this game n largely ignored T4 n SC2.

This is a big difference compared to say gamespy's review of Ikaruga of " this game is good but too hard...." n ending their review of ' If they only didn't make it so hard'. Very discouraging imo.

*sorry gamespy, but ur recent review sticks out in my mind*

In closing, I like to make a short statement.
I've been reading the reviews on ur site.

I must conclude, NTSC.UK reviewers KNOW games!

(Although I think the reviewer was too harsh on gunvalkyrie...but..to each his own. Which is what makes us human)

Looking forward to more reviews from u guys

 

[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Thomas said:

I have to agree. There's something of a problem with games being pitched towards casual players who have no real skills or the patience necessary to develop them. Far too many games today are far too easy. Of course, Virtua Fighter's learning curve has often been a turn-off for those people, but I would attribute it to nothing more than laziness. Sega went to all the trouble of teaching players the game; the least they can do is learn.

The point in making depth a "con" is a good one, but I think the greater issue here is the casual gamer. That's what we need to work on -- making them better and more patient players.

This is a good review, by the way. Thanks for posting it.

[/ QUOTE ]


I understand your point of view but not everyone has the patience or time to dedicate to a fighting game. Some people buy fighting games but don't plan on dedicating large amounts of time on practicing combos and juggles. They just want to chill out with their buddies and button smash. As long as they're having fun and enjoying themselves I don't see where the problem is. My uncle's been playing Madden football for years and totally sucks at it but he buys every installement. Why, because he's not trying to be the best at the game he just wants to have fun with it, whether he wins or loses. Just remember guys alot of people don't take games seriously, some people just play to relax and have fun. Personally I have no problem whatsoever with casual gamers.

 

Don't get me wrong what you wrote was a really good review and you talked well about the game .My comments were directed more toward some of the uk mags I have read.As stated above the love to say things like " there are only 3 buttons but vf is the deepest fight game you buy.Oh and to master Akira is to master the game etc........".It's these kinda throwaway comments that don't say anything about the game that really annoy me.And they ALWAYS go on about Akira being unstoppable in the hands of an " Akira wizard " as they put it .I'm not gonna go on about this since it's been covered many times before but YES his moves/combos are technically difficult to do at first but when they can be done he's a really high damage character....HOWEVER to play any one with a certain amount of flair and skill in vf takes just as much practice and requires you to train as much as you play other people imo.A lot of UK mags also put that there's only 2 new characters and all other differences are slight.This is only because they won't have played the game anything like as much as the people on the forum.I could list a least a dozen changes to Akira's existing moves not to mention the 10 or so he's added.Oh and about added moves they often say something like " well they're useful ..but you stick with what you know don't you?"Well no really you strive to play your characters as best you can.
So yeah your review was a damn good one but it just worries me that so many people but vf's depth and strategy down as a bad thing to new players.

 

Actually, I was thinking of gaming in general, not only Virtua Fighter. Of course, you're right that VF will never be much more popular than it already is. But is that really a bad thing? Britney Spears sells more records than Ani Difranco. That doesn't mean she's any better.

At the rate things are going, actually, there may only be a handful of companies making games. SNK, Atari Games, Sega, Capcom, Nintendo -- what's going on here?

 

The way things are going for Capcom right now even they might have some very serious problems in the near future...

 

I don't think that stating VF's "intimadating depth" is necessarily a hindrance in attracting more players.

It was hearing about this "depth" that actually got me started with the game. I was once browing the IGN Tekken boards and came across this VF vs. Tekken discussion and one poster explained how increadibly deep this game is and talking about some of it's technicalities.

This got me really impressed and curious so I downloaded a bunch of clips to see what VF was really like in motion. I was awed. Everthing looked so smoothing and balanced. Needless to say, I was sold.

There are probably lots of guys like me who are so sick of lame ass games like DOA and the other crap on Xbox, and are looking for a real challenge.

 

Ah yes, nice, a thinly veiled XBox basher.
Sweet.

 

[ QUOTE ]
Fishie said:

Ah yes, nice, a thinly veiled XBox basher.
Sweet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I wasn't bashing the Xbox.
I was bashing the crappy fighting games available for the Xbox.
DOA, TF, etc...

 

Excellent review!! The explanation the fighting system was explained in a way that even the casual gamer could understand. Your "depth" argument is a valid one. I agree that dedicated, patient players will enjoy everything the game has to offer, but I still believe that Evo can be enjoyed by beginners. There's always the option of choosing one of the "beginner" characters to get started. This gives them a fighting chance against more experienced players, without the dexterity issue slowing them down. Button-mashers will always be button-mashers, so they'll probably just ignore VF and get SC2 anyway. /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

I read a stat some where ( think it was Computer and Video games mag ) that for ever one player playing tekken in an arcade in japan there were 10 playing virtua or fighter or something like that which just goes to show how much japanese/korean players love the game.Over here it's probably the reverse and it isn't helped by the fact there's almost no advertising for video games at all nor are there decent arcades.Only people really into games will know which games are out when in the uk and when games like fifa ver100000...get released and sell more than the technical and superior game pro evo2 ( we6 ) it just goes to show how messed up the uk game industry is to an extent. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif