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Ohzeki's Explanation of Input Rules for Tech Roll (Fall Recovery)

Discussion in 'Dojo' started by akai, May 20, 2022.

  1. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    akai, May 20, 2022
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  2. jimi Claymore

    jimi Claymore Well-Known Member

    Ok i made a translation for this


    Rules for perfect Ukemi ( just recovery) and missed perfect ukemi(regular recovery), and what inputs do you need to do first

    0:08 You can input P+K+G immediately after being hit

    0:16 For perfect ukemi you have a 3F(2F?) window, you can also have wake up options depending in wich direction you move the joystick

    0:19 In that way, the timing for the directional input is going to be different than the okizeme input

    0:23 As you can see you can do a rolling ukemi(recovery) that way

    0:30 It doesn't matter if you mash P+K+G

    0:40 In this case the last directional input detected is neutral (first up and then neutral after the mash)

    0:47 So we are going to do a tech in place here

    0:50 You can always avoid this neutral state "problem" by keeping your direction a little longer

    0:55 he input window for buffering P+K+G is 2F after you get a knock out hit, and 1F before you can get the Just ukemi,
    (Doesn't Apply to Taka since he floats different than the cast)

    1:09 So you have the failed just ukemi, after the last frame of the Just ukemi and you have 3 frames more

    1:23 The timing of this 2 options is determined by the joystick direction of the last frame of the regular ukemi (failed just ukemi)

    1:38 For the Just Ukemi you only have 2 frames while you're hitting the ground

    1:52 The direction of the just ukemi is determined by the stick direction in the last frame

    2:06 For delayed Ukemi, the direction is determined at the same time you input P+K+G
     
    jimi Claymore, May 22, 2022
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  3. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Examples of Fall Recovery (tech roll, ukemi) for common knock downs. The timing and input of Fall Recovery based on the examples listed early in Granpa Ohzeki's blog entry. I still recommend inputting close to the ground and pressing [8] or [2] at the same time with P+K+G. Especially if the attack that launch you is a true combo or you need to actually get Exact Fall Recovery. But if you are having trouble with fall recovery, the method mentioned below is really easy.


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    Video shows 2P-Side Pai knocking down 1P-Side Pai with [K] & followed-up with (while standing) [K]. Video shows 4 different choices Pai on the 1P-side took. Example at normal speed then slowed down to make it easier to see what is happening.

    Example 1 - 0:06 No Fall Recovery
    • Frame 15 - 2P-Side Pai [K] normal hits 1P-Side Pai (Note Pai [K] makes contact on the 2nd active frame)
    • Frame 71 - 2P-Side Pai follow-up attack (while standing) [K] hits 1P-Side Pai on the ground. 1P-side Pai did not attempt fall recovery.
    Example 2 - 0:19 In Place Fall Recovery
    • Frame 15 - 2P-Side Pai [K] normal hits 1P-Side Pai
    • Frame 26 - 1P-Side input [P][+][K][+][G] for Fall Recovery. Note that [P][+][K][+][G] input was tapped way before the falling Pai was even close to the ground.
    • Frame 71 - The Fall Recovery avoids 2P-Side Pai (while standing) [K].
    Example 3 and 4 - 0:30 Side Fall Recovery (Background) / 0:42 Side Fall Recovery (Foreground)
    • Frame 15 - 2P-Side Pai K normal hits 1P-Side Pai
    • 1P-Side input P+K+G for Fall Recovery (Example 3 - Frame 41 / Example 4 - Frame 27). Note that P+K+G input was tapped before [8] or [2] is pressed.
    • [8] (Example 3, Frame 49) or [2] (Example 4, Frame 37) is pressed and held afterwards
    • Frame 71 - The Side Fall Recovery avoids 2P-Side Pai (while standing) [K].
     
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2024
    akai, Oct 30, 2024
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