another quick jeffry question, sorry to take up your time when is the D+P+G ( groundpickup ) guarrented? i mean what attacks will it follow up. i'm no good with it's timming. i tend to get the normal pick-up (face up) after the B+G+P or the XPD by the way, i tend to follow it up with the hell stab (F+P+K) or the standing axe kick (B,F+K) if the opponent doen't dodge, you're ok. to me, the hell stab is better. you don't seem to have a lot of lag time. to be sure, i tend to dodge back after a pick up and then follow with a hell stab. my reactions aren't great so people who dodge usually get me!! the dodge back gives me time to think. also, when is the second pick-up (face down) guarrented? i can get it when i get a major counter with a D+K+G. i'm not sure what else works. i prefer this pick-up. facing an opponent with there back turned opens up a lot of psycology!! i've hit a lot of swinging sleepers from people who just go cold under the pressure!!