Pai's combos thread

1.


> 54 dmg ( to all *works against jeffry in open stance in NH in close range,doesnt work against Wolf in NH in close range. Also that can be connect to all when launcher hit them from mid or longer range or when you punish opponent move at +15 ). In CH works to all except Taka
64 dmg (CH)
> 53 dmg ( to all * works against jeffry in open stance in NH,doesnt work against Wolf in NH in close range. Also that can be connect to all when launcher hit them from mid or longer range or when you punish opponent move at +15) .In CH works to all except Taka
63 dmg (CH)
> > 51 dmg ( to all * works against jeffry in open stance in NH, doesnt work against Wolf in NH in close range. Also that can be connect to all when launcher hit them from mid or longer range or when you punish opponent move at +15). In CH works to all except Taka
61 dmg (CH)
> > 46 dmg ( to all * works against jeffry in open stance in NH, doesnt work against Wolf in NH in close range. Also that can be connect to all when launcher hit them from mid or longer range or when you punish opponent move at +15). In CH works to all except Taka
56 dmg (CH)
> > > > WS 80 dmg (CH) (Superlights -lightweights)

> > > > WS NH only 78 dmg ( Superlights both stances)
> > > > > NH only 76 dmg (Superlights both stances)
> > > > > WS NH only 75 dmg without WS, 88 dmg with it (WS can be tech roll and doesnt work on closed stance against Blaze. Against Eileen works for both stances)



2.


> 70 dmg ( to all )
80 dmg (CH)
> 69 dmg ( to all )
79 dmg (CH)
> > > 82 dmg (Superlights-lightweights)
92 dmg (CH)
> > > cd 86 dmg (Superlights-lightweights)
96 dmg (CH)
> > WS 83 dmg (Superlights-lightweights)
93 dmg (CH)
> > > > WS 94 dmg
104 dmg(CH) (against Vanessa only. * Updated by Steelbaz- That combo works against Eileen and Aoi too but it can be tech rolled, its hard to tech roll so you should do it ).
*> > > (1FK= OR )> WS 88 dmg- 98 dmg CH
closed stance against Sarah, Lion and Vanessa(Vanessa requires 1FK ), open stance against Aoi(requires 1FK ). * You can always ending combo with for 85 dmg - 95 dmg CH


3.


> > WS 67 dmg ( to all )
78 dmg (CH)
> > > WS 71 dmg ( works to all except Heavyweights , Akira and Taka )
82 dmg (CH)
> > > 68 dmg ( to all except Taka)
79 dmg (CH)
> > > 67 dmg (to all except Taka)
78 dmg (CH)
> 64 dmg ( to all except Taka)
75 dmg (CH)
> > 66 dmg (to all except Taka )
77 dmg (CH)
> > 70 dmg (Lightweight , Middleweights)
81 dmg (CH)
> > (1FK )> > WS 80 dmg
91 dmg (CH) (Superlights, Lightweights :works both sides in open stance to all,not work if evading cancel from the front in closed stance except to Aoi that works in both sides in each stance, , To shun i have problem some times works some other no cause of shun's weird hitbox?)
> > (1FK ) > > WS 78 dmg (Superlights , Works against lightweights in open stance, against Vanessa and Aoi works in both stances)
89 dmg (CH)
> > (1FK ) > > WS 77 dmg (Superlights ,Works against lightweights in open stance, against Vanessa and Aoi works in both stances )
88 dmg (CH)
> > > > WS 73 dmg - 84 dmg CH ( open stance- against Blaze,Eileen,Aoi)

> > > > 75 dmg - 86 dmg CH ( open stance- against Blaze,Eileen,Aoi )

> > > > 76 dmg - 87 dmg CH ( open stance- against Blaze,Eileen,Aoi)


4. CH


> > 81 dmg ( against Taka )

> > > 86 dmg ( against Taka )

> > > WS 87 dmg ( against Taka )

> > > > WS 89 dmg ( except Heavyweights and Taka, works in open stance against Akira,Jean, doesnt work against Jacky both stances except if connect from mid range. Also can be connect against Akira and Jean in closed stance only when the launcher connect from mid or long range. Also can be connect in both stances when launcher the opponent from the side).

> > > > 86 dmg (same like the previous one )

> > > > 86 dmg (same like the previous one )

> > > > 86 dmg (same like the previous one )

> > > 76 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > > WS 77 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > > 80 dmg ( to all except Taka )
> > > WS 76 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > > > > > WS ( Against Elblaze in open stance, against Eileen both stances * to Eileen in closed stance the 2nd before connects required to be buffer with 1 frame delay).

5.



> 48 dmg -59 dmg (CH) ( to all )

> > 56 dmg - 67 dmg (CH) ( Superlights-Lightweights).

>. 48 dmg - 59 dmg (CH) (nightantilli's post, ask nightantilli how that works cause when i tested it doesnt work for me).

> 57 dmg ( to all ,)
68 dmg (CH)

> 56 dmg (to all )
67 dmg (CH)

> > 62 dmg against Eileen and Elblaze ( Kingo's combo)

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6. CH



> 56 dmg ( to all. I recommend it against Heavyweights)

> > 62 dmg ( to all except Taka. I recommend it against Heavyweights)

> > 68 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight-closed stance works to Jacky. Also the needs to be execute in close range to connect the follow up).

> > > 80 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight-HeavyMiddleweight except Jean. Also the needs to be execute in close range to connect the follow up).

> > > 77 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight-HeavyMiddleweight except Jean. Also the needs to be execute in close range to connect the follow up).

> > > WS 78 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight-HeavyMiddleweight except Jean. Also the needs to be execute in close range to connect the follow up).

> > > 81 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight-HeavyMiddleweight except Jean. Also the needs to be execute in close range to connect the follow up ).




7. Backturn

> 64 dmg NH - 79 dmg CH ( works to everyone both stances,mostly using against Taka )
> 63 dmg NH - 78 dmg CH (same as previous )
> > 71dmg NH 86 dmg CH (I recommend these 3 combos against heavyweights )
> > WS 72 dmg NH 87 dmg CH
> > 75 dmg NH 90 dmg CH
> > 75 dmg
97 dmg (CH) ( to all ,Akira in closed stance.Not against heavyweights and Taka. )
> > 76 dmg
98 dmg (CH) ( to all except Akira heavyweights and Taka)
> > > 75 dmg NH ( against Wolf and Jeffry)




8. sidecrumble



> > > WS 87 dmg-102 dmg(CH) ( to all )

> > > > 86 dmg -101 dmg(CH) ( to all except Taka unless if you not using the )

> > > > 86 dmg -101 dmg(CH) ( to all except Taka unless if you not using the )

> > > > WS 90 dmg - 105 dmg (CH) ( Superlights :Elblaze to back in closed stance, stomach/back to open stance. To Eileen stomach/back in closed stance, to back in open stance. Lightweight :Aoi to back in open stance,stomach/back to closed stance, Vanessa to back in closed stance, stomach/back to open stance. Doesnt work against Shun. Middleweight :Lei fei to back in closed stance, stomach/back to open stance, Kage,Brad and Goh doesnt work. Jean to back in closed stance, stomach/back to open stance . Doesnt work against Taka)



9. Hakkeshou

> > 49 dmg NH- 59 dmg CH ( works to everyone both stances, but is mostly using against Taka)
> > 51 dmg NH - 61 dmg CH ( same as previous )

> > 50 dmg NH - 60 dmg CH (same as previous )

> > 57 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight)
67 dmg (CH)
> > > 70 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight)
80 dmg (CH)
> > > 66 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight)
76 dmg (CH)
> > > WS 67 dmg (Superlight-Lightweight-Middleweight)
77 dmg (CH)
> > > > WS 78 dmg ( against Aoi)
88 dmg (CH)
> > > > WS 75 dmg ( against Eileen)
85 dmg (CH)


10. Hakkeshou CH


> 58 dmg ( to all )

> > 64 dmg ( to all .to shun you have step to stomach and buffer the . Also can be work to Taka only with 1 frame delay of )

> > 70 dmg (Superlight . lightweight ,to shun you have step to stomach and 1FK . Middleweight)

> > > 82 dmg (Superlight . Lightweight , to shun you have step to stomach and1FK . Middleweight)

> > > 83 dmg (Superlight . Lightweight ,to shun you have step to stomach and 1FK . Middleweight)

> > > WS 80 dmg (Superlight. Lightweight ,to shun you have step to stomach and 1FK . Middleweight)

> > 81 dmg ( to all except Taka)

> > 79 dmg ( to all except Taka)

> > > 78 dmg ( to all except Taka and Wolf. To Wolf and Taka doesnt works.I recommend > 73 dmg )

> > > 79 dmg ( to all except Taka and Wolf. To Wolf and Taka doesnt works).

> > WS 78 dmg (against Taka)

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Awesome. Can you add wall combos too from the different wall bounces?

 

yes man. i will.. pls if u have other combos write it down..or if i wrote something wrong let me know!

 

11.

> 45 dmg NH - 55 dmg CH ( against Taka )

> 54 dmg - 69 dmg CH ( to all except Taka )

> 53 dmg - 68 dmg CH ( to all except Taka )

> > 78 dmg CH ( recommend for Heavyweights- require CH)

> > > > WS 89 dmg only CH ( Superlight-Lightweight)

> > > > 86 dmg only CH ( Superlight-Lightweight)

> > > > 86 dmg only CH ( Superlight-Lightweight)

> > > > 86 dmg only CH ( Superlight-Lightweight)

> > > 66 dmg -76 dmg CH( except Wolf- Taka)

> > > WS 67 dmg - 77 dmg CH ( except Wolf- Taka)

> > > 70 dmg - 80 dmg CH( except Wolf- Taka)

> > > WS 66 dmg - 76 dmg CH ( except Heavyweights- Taka)

> > > > > > WS 80 dmg NH - 90 dmg CH ( Against Eileen both stances - Elblaze closed stance)


12. CH



> > WS 73 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > 76 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > 78 dmg ( to all except Taka )

> > > 75 dmg ( Superlights: Eileen open stance. Lightweights: to all except shun and Vanessa open stance. Middleweights : to all. Middleheavyweights : to all except Jean. Doesn't work against Heavyweights and Taka )

> > > 76 dmg ( Superlights: Eileen open stance. Lightweights: to all except shun and Vanessa open stance. Middleweights : to all. Middleheavyweights : to all except Jean. Not work against Heavyweights and Taka )
> > 72 dmg ( recommend against Taka only )

> > 71 dmg ( recommend against Taka only)

> > 70 dmg ( recommend against Taka only)

> 60 dmg ( recommend against Taka only)

> 64 dmg ( recommend against Taka only)

> 65 dmg ( recommend against Taka only)

> 72 dmg ( recommend against Taka only )



13. Backturn ( -2 dmg compares to )
Same combos like

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sick list, but can't some of these be tech-rolled? Also, do you plan on adding any wall combos to the list?

 

yes i will write wall combos.. and are not tech - rolled. i tested it .. pls if u have combos that i didnt write pls write it down..

thanks!!

 

Ok thanks, must've been doing em too slow

 

Very comprehensive, good work sozos.

 

thx man.im not done yet..

 

This thread is awesome, sozos. It's a great contribution to Pai players, and I definitely learned quite a bit from reading it and trying some of these combos in the Dojo.

I've got nothing to add except to state the obvious: Bokutai > P+K gives anywhere from +19 to +21 on a normal hit, and so it's a free + launch. It'd be redundant to have a Bokutai > + > + section in the list, since all of the combos are the same as +, but that would add one (the first) hit to all of the combos, and Bokutai > P+K is one of my favorite attacks for that reason, haha. Free combo for anybody that's too eager to crouch-guard Pai's Bokutai > .

Good stuff!

-David

[EDIT] Also, let's not forget that + is a launcher on normal hit. Usually, I just follow it with , but there might be something better. Your list is very exhaustive!

 

thx venca..ok man i will add all that u said me. yea is really exhaustive but i will try my best..stay tuned for more combos!!!

 

14. bokutai


> > > WS 87 dmg ( to all )
97 dmg (CH)

> > > > WS 81 dmg ( works to all except Heavyweights,Akira and Taka)
91 dmg (CH)

> > > > 88 dmg ( to all except Taka)
98 dmg (CH)

> > > > 87 dmg ( to all except Taka)
97 dmg (CH)

> > 84 dmg ( to all except Taka)
94 dmg (CH)

> > > 86 dmg ( to all exceptTaka)
96 dmg (CH)

> > > WS 87 dmg - 97 dmg (CH) ( to all except Taka)


> > > 90 dmg - 100 dmg (CH) ( to all except Taka)


> > > 90 dmg
100 dmg (CH) (Lightweight , Middleweights )

> > > (1FK ) > > WS 100 dmg
110 dmg (CH)(Superlights, Lightweights : works both sides in open stance to all,not work if evading cancel from the front in closed stance except to Aoi that works in both sides in each stance, , To shun i have problem some times works some other no cause of shun's weird hitbox?)
> > > (1FK ) > > WS 98 dmg 108 dmg (Superlights , Works against lightweights in open stance, against Vanessa and Aoi works in both stances)
> > > (1FK ) > > WS 97 dmg
107 dmg (CH) (Superlights , Works against lightweights in open stance, against Vanessa and Aoi works in both stances)

> > (dash) backturn > > > 101 dmg - 111 dmg (CH) ( Doesnt Work against Shun and Taka . Against Shun i recommend just not using the before the ender ).

> > (dash) backturn > > > 102 dmg - 112 dmg (CH)
( Doesnt Work against Shun and Taka . Against Shun i recommend just not using the before the ender).

> > (dash) backturn > > 95 dmg - 105 dmg (CH)
(the can be tech rolled against Jean and Heavyweights, doesnt work to Taka )

> > (dash) backturn > > 104 dmg -114 dmg (CH)
( Doesnt Work against Heavyweights and Taka)

> > (dash) backturn > > 100 dmg - 110 dmg (CH) ( to all. I recommend it for Heavyweight . doesnt work to Taka)

> > (dash) backturn > 81 dmg - 91 dmg (CH) ( recommend for Taka)


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Wow, I guess that I spoke too soon when I said that having a section for Bokutai > + combos would be redundant. I guess that the extra damage and extra hit cause the floats to be different, and so the combos are different from standard +... That's super-informative. To think that I could have been getting ten more damage every time!

Awesome stuff, Sozos.

-David

 

You can also force a crouching state with and do all the combos above, I think.

 

yea. it will be adding this soon.. i have also some combos to add ( some advanced combos with big damage) and at the end i have the wall combos..stay tuned guys!

thanks!

 

Just wanted to add some notes.

- After CH side turned , Back turned is guaranteed so you get all the same followups which results in HUGE damage. Depending on whether the launcher hits the opponent while they are backturned or not, you may need to adjust the followups.

- on side turned does not require CH to produce the side stun. You can also use on NH to achieve the same results. on side hit does require a CH however.

- After any extension in a combo, you can also use as a finisher.

- After any extension in a combo, you can also use as a finisher.

- Some of the followups from can be done after against super light-light weights. Against mid-weights you may need to hit on the 2nd active frame to do them without needing a CH.

- You can get the following after :
> (61 dmg, Heavy Weights + Taka)
> > > WS (82 dmg, Closed Stance, Heavy Weights only).
The same followups after apply as well.

- If you land + at the wall, you can do
> > > WS (80 dmg) against everyone except Taka.

 

This is amazing stuff, thanks you guys!

 

15. (doesnt work against Taka)


> 58 dmg - 65 dmg (CH) (to all)

> 59 dmg - 66 dmg (CH) (to all)

> > 54 dmg - 61 dmg (CH) (to all)

> > 56 dmg - 63 dmg (CH) (to all)

> > 62 dmg - 69 dmg (CH) ( Doesnt work against Heavyweights. To Goh , Shun Akira ,Kage and Blaze requires 1 frame delay of to work both stances. Works to others without frame delay both stances )



>(1 frame delay ) > > WS 71 dmg NH - 78 dmg CH ( Elblaze,Eileen and Aoi both stances, Pai,Sarah,Shun,Lion and Vanessa only in closed stance )



16. bokutai > ( doesnt work against Taka )


> 53 dmg NH and CH ( to all )

> 54 dmg NH and CH ( to all)

> > 49 dmg NH and CH ( to all)

> > 51 dmg NH and CH ( to all)

> > works on NH 57 dmg ( Works to Goh,Lei,Kage,Jacky,Blaze and Shun both stances but to open stance requires 1 frame delay of . To Brad,Lau,Pai,Sarah,Lion,Aoi,Van,Jean and Eileen work both stances without 1 frame delay of . To Wolf and Jeffry work only in closed stance without 1 frame delay of . To Akira work both stances but only with 1 frame delay of )

> > > > WS works on NH 64 dmg ( against Aoi and Vanessa)

> > > > WS works on NH 72 dmg (against Aoi and Vanessa )


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On neutral hit side turned, , Back turned is guaranteed when Pai steps on the opponent back side. Because K+G will put the opponent back turned and at -12, so he won't be able to block BT K which is i15.