Politics

The two party system never really worked in my eyes, because they are fundamentally in favor of big corporations over the people and the environment.

Trump being the worst environmental president, speaking as a libertarian, he needed to be cut off. The only way for Biden to maintain his position is to appeal to progressive views, which I'm actually for solar energy, clean air, clean water, medicare for all, especially those with pre-existing conditions.

We also don't need to be the police of the world and I side pro LGBTQ community and pro abortion, but I question the sincerity of the Democrats supporting the minorities.

It's unfortunate that you have someone like Trump who is such a sore loser, where it's abstract to having everything handed to him where what he obtained in his prime isn't enough. It's rather dismal to live that way always wanting more.

 

Its not so much about being telegraphic or unpredictability.. Its more so of, as we say down south, throwing rocks and hiding your hands, and throwing rocks and flipping you off. One thing I can say about Conservatives is that they let you know EXACTLY where you and they stand. There is no guessing. Unabashed and blatant... in all of their racist, elitist, out of touch glory.. I can respect the boldness.. but then you have alot of Liberals assuming just because I'm black, my vote is in the bag and doing absolutely jack shit to earn it of which creates a deceptive air about it .. I have Zero doubt Biden is just as racist, sexist and as much as a homo-intolerant person as Trump is. But where Trump doesn't have to cater, Biden will tap dance his crusty ass to what ever beat drives forward his bottom line. Aint nothing worse then a panderer. They play both sides and will sell their mother to get ahead.

 

Bernie was the best option.. He called out the fuckery on BOTH sides, wasn't easily cajoled into bullshit and he actually had a cohesive probable plan for Americans.. But Bernie was too much of a independent thinker.. And a independent thinker is hard to control.. so In comes Biden and Kamala.. Biden is docile and idiotic enough to just "go along" with the program and Kamala is heartless, devoid of sympathy and corrupt enough to push forward the agenda..

Fuck'em Both
2020....

 

And you should question it because they don't give a fuck about the gay community nor minorities. Its all about pandering and getting them votes! Of which became worse because Trump was made to be the ultimate boogeyman... And the Dems played it soo well.. They literally had these dumbass people working overtime to bring them the votes.. Its amazing what a little fear can do...lol

 

Thats just what i meant; Biden is no stormlord, it's not what you ultimatel need. But you got rid of trump, which put stuff way backwards.

Its a step forward, but the fights not over, right?!

Sweden crosses her fingers for ya'all'ies!

 

Considering that capitalists will (with possibly few exceptions historically) always side with increasing profits over their workers and the environment out of fear of being bought up by the competition, you would require a lot of regulation/subsidies.

With a Medicare for All system, you'd be eliminating "consumer choice."

Now, I'm totally okay with that (I'd prefer if these policies go way further), but I'm curious about labeling yourself as a libertarian.

This really depends. Your cynicism is justified, but it's a very static view of the world that can depoliticize and disempower one from seeing change being possible. And it also ignores that there is a battle brewing within the democratic party (the old guard like Pelsoi/Schumer, pieces of shit, old and good progressives like Barbara Lee and new comers AOC, Ilhan Omar, Permila Jayapal, etc. who aren't perfect [who is?] but a big step in the better direction). Both sides (mostly) suck because they're both right-wing parties, it's just one of them allows for space for us to

The reason why Bernie was the best option and had massive support among the grassroots (even my broke ass donated to him) was his policies. Speaking of which: what policies do you want to see? What kind of society do you want to help build?

This is nuanced, I mean it was Biden who pushed Obama to support Gay Marriage. I mean a person can be a piece of shit (see Biden's history), but they can also have a few good beliefs. Like Dick Cheney is an evil piece of shit, but can't knock him for seeing his Lesbian daughter a human. It's a low bar, but it's disingenuous to assume

And the boogeyman did come, with a 6 to 3 court we can see the repeal of lot of the gains. And the Trump Administration already did a lot of damage to the lgbtq+ community.

On minority rights (whether PoC/LQBTQ+) and the democrats being shitty, again, it isn't the whole party, it's the cynicism of the leadership, who are confident that because the Republicans are worse on all the policies and are openly bigoted toward minorities and women, that they will automatically earn the votes from these groups of people so they don't care about pushing progressive policies. This strategy fell apart again.

But what are our options to making a better society? Sitting on the sidelines won't get anything done. We're in an era with the largest civil uprising in the history of the USA, and we (working people) do have people on our side inserting themselves into the Democratic party. Uprising without political education is useless, and leadership without the backing of the people is weak. Since revolution isn't on the table (yet, and it's up to us to educate, organize, and steer conditions toward that) our most obvious route is to continue to elect activists who can cause a rupture within the Democratic party.
*again, that's not the only option, but others are topic for a different discussion

Correct in some regards. Domestically, yeah, this is a layup. The question is, how bad the Democrats and the Biden Administration fumble this shit (which can benefit either the right wing or if we're organized: the progressive and further left people).

The disagreement I would have is nuanced as it isn't all necessarily all bad or good.

Like to give Trump a little praise, being open to discussions with the divided Koreas was good, and throwing out Bolton (though he hired him, lol) because he wanted to go to war with everyone like a typical NeoCon. And I fear the Democrats would prefer a more warlike stance, as seen with their anti-China rehotric, open support of the Coups (attempts) in Venezuela/Bolivia/insert name of place with the resources corporations want. Democrats don't push against the military industrial complex but empower it and make it more effective.

And again, to be fair, while Obama's foreign policy was shit as well, opening relations toward Cuba was good, and the Iran Deal was definitely better than trying to starve them through sanctions.

 

Hello Sebo, what do you wish to know about me being labeled as libertarian? I guess I lean a little more toward it than the green party, though green seems nicer and more strict on morality. As I think about it, I'm more of a hybrid or just open to alternatives that can improve the well being of our people.

 

I only ask because the positions you're for sound like a good plan and indicates empathy for people and the environment. In the 16+ years of my talks/debates with people who describe themselves a libertarian (no regulation because markets know best) or the massive number of debates that I've seen, your concern about corporations being favored too heavily by our government is something I can't recall hearing by someone that actually adheres to free-market fundamentalists.

And the way you would get more green energy (and in conjunction with lowering fossil fuels) as well as bring about a Medicare for All system could only happen through lots of regulation/government intervention which, again, is something advocated by Social Democrats (i.e. capitalism regulated for the benefit of society).

 

I've been thinking about the police, but I don't put much stock on this subject, considering what they were intended for in primitive times.

I guess there will come a much darker era when things escalate beyond the state of no return, where we would have to rely on ourselves to apply our own personal justice.

I'm also anti gun personally, but I understand the corrupt will try harder to get ahold of other weapons to have their way. Though, part of me still believe that guns are too convenient to kill someone with it. I'm in favor of the primitive era for self defense.

 

Can you expand on darker/primitive times? I don't understand what you mean.

Well, that's a good position and it's better to be realistic about using/owning guns, as the people who do own the most guns (especially in the American context) are usually not the people we'd entrust acting in the best interest of society as opposed to defending their ideology of property being worth more than human life.

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*Not to Bandlie

Speaking of ideology valuing property over life, when is the reason for this thread being resurrected again going to engage in the "marketplace of ideas?" Or will he dodge engagement again, and then frame any future criticism of his need to defend the word "conservatism" with debate nerd appeals of logical fallacies while being incapable of demonstrating how his ideas actually exist in the world while not tied to some of the worst people alive now and throughout history.

 

What i meant from the primitive times is that one of the historical parts of the society from America to the forging of early policing, was through slavery institution and to control minorities. So, I don't look at law enforcement in a good light, because it's kind of iffy to turn something into a positive, when it was originally for something negative. Especially considering how this year has been with BLM.

I do support the concept of it and that all lives should be held as a high regard also, unless if that life is a threat to the lives of others. The deep rotted problems among my community, roughly 60% of us in the US of our crime rate should also be addressed, and be treated with the upmost care that, leaving a little optimism here, the issues should be corrected in due time through a better resource of guidance. It's rather a complex issue.

A much darker era is from my pessimism on where the direction this world is going. It always seemed to be in our nature to stir up and escalate conflict that will ultimately lead to the final days of our suffering and demise, which I feel is from our predispositioned diversity and differences. I would like to be wrong about this, I fear what is in store for our future.

 

Hope you guys will share your comment after finish watching this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=R42NFIv3ntw

 

Hope you guys will share your comment after finish watching this video too
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBfukloE84

 

I'll keep this very limited. I've watched it and I still stand by what I've said about the hindrance of having a two party system. It's nothing what I haven't heard before. Not that it matters, but Trump had repeatedly said that he was racist in the past from the likes of CNN and the final presidential debate , but to a lesser extent compared to everyone else's racism. That's something that you shouldn't admit to.

The one thing that Republicans brought on themselves is their religious liberty, by putting their faith in politics, which caught up with them over the years. Trump actually wanted employees to allow discrimination against lgbtq people, but that's to be expected. As someone who is bisexual, it's one of reasons why I think he deserves his loss, not that I'm comfortable with Biden either.

So, I would admit my bias and state that this country should move away from religion and if that's one of the reasons why there is hate and bitterness against the GOP from the censorship of Republicans, then they've brought on themselves. Religion as a whole caused too much pain.

True communism never existed, because you would need to make an good honest system to match the hearts of the good and selfless, which is what we're not. We merely try to be, which is the reason why it can't be properly implemented.

The USA was never a free country, when it was built off of lies. Take that however you like.

 

thanks for watched the videos and leave comment. I like to learn different point of view from everyone.
Discrimination against people( in any form) is bad for all society but exists in almost every country . Some( or many) bad luck people may experience discrimination since their early stage of life , from family or school.
In fact , Discrimination exists everywhere in the world not because someone allow it, even you have death sentence to punish people acting discrimination still cannot vanish it. Laws and Rules can only limit someone's behavior but not able to modify their mind.
If I aware my boss or workmate are bad person, I can CHOOSE to stay working with them or not. I feel lucky they expose their true nature to me without hiding.

Mass Media change their opinion time to time

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2DWMHgLnc conclusion of this "XiNN" video start at 6:05 ?

people just ask for a fair election.

It's a taboo for a politician show not enough mercy to refugee or illegal immigrant, media won't hesitate label you "racist". Kind person or leader need o have sympathy but also think logical. Avoid being label "racist" will restrict your logical judgment.

Is this real situation of Sweden ? and Trumps want to avoid it happen in future
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...es-migrant-mafia-gangs-terrorise-country.html

 

Hope you guys will share your comment again after finish watching this interview video with people from Cuba
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhCUdFRSt6I

 

Hope you guys will share your comment again after finish watching this interview video with
"BLM supporter also supports Trump"
BLM支持者もトランプ大統領支持！？凄い経歴の持ち主の子に話を聞いてみました。
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gngg2Lf4Ujk

 

@whitegrass What polices of Trumps do you support? What kind of world do you want to live in? Just give me a handful of examples how you could get there.

And beside the dog whistles in the post featuring Sweden, you're too caught up in the mainstream political discourse. If you find yourself aligning with either corporate funded party, you're wasting your time. I can understand that in fucked up times some people need some kind of comfort, but Trump ain't it.

And you can spam random interviews of random people here or in the shoutbox, it doesn't do anything other than show how depoliticized/ignorant people are.

 

I never said I support Trumps , I just see I large group of people hating someone without reasonable argument. I would say Trumps do foolish decision on the China virus outbreak, really bad. All other allegations? don't tell me like this https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/trump-time-magazine-ice-cream/index.html

What policies of Trumps you don't support? Reason is the most important.
Have you even finished watching at least one video from I post ?
the video do mention why people supporting Trumps and this one I totally agree with www.youtube.com/watch?v=R42NFIv3ntw

You can disagree with it without a reason or call it fake. just Dislike it.
I understand I should not post it shoutout box, I will not post anything in future at this website.

I do feel sad the election expose America losing it's freedom of speech and the horrible media manipulation.

I do hope everyone have better future and thanks for enduring my posts and let me share / express the message I hope people to understand, it's fine if I am wrong, everyone can be my teacher.

Bye

 

"Oh no, these people are talking shit on this mass murderer, time to post videos of idiot supporters whose ignorance is leaking through my computer screen."

And no, don't backpedal with that nonsense. You say people don't have a reasonable argument, but you've dodged so many questions I've asked of you here and in the shoutbox.

The covid should be a damning enough of a reason not to carry water for the prick.

I made an incomplete list back in February, which definitely could use a update to include more from this shit-show of a year.

• Getting his platform built by calling the first African-American president a Kenyan.
• The self-admitted fact that he assaults women, not to mention the ever growing number of women speaking out against him.
  
• The Trump empire was built by his slum lord father, and dating back to Fred all the way to Donald practicing discriminatory practices, not to mention ties to organized crime.
  
• Continuing Bush and Obama's illegal wars and then ramping them up further. Despite often claiming he'd pull out troops and end the wars.
  
• Despite claiming to be pro-choice his entire life, he picks a zealot like Mike Pence as VP, puts two shitty justices in one of whom is an attempted rapist into the supreme court with the intent of overturning Roe V. Wade, and giving speeches to "pro-life" loonies.
  
• Putting out ads calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5, despite there being no evidence of them committing the crime they were accused of.
  
• Abandoning our Kurdish allies, but then putting the troops he supposedly pulled out to bring home on the oil fields in northern Syria and literally stating it was for the oil. But it's not like the US has betrayed the Kurds before... lol?
• Demolishing EPA standards for air and water. Hello increased cancer rates.
  
• Signing off on dangerous missions that kill inoccent American citizens and put troops in harm's way.
• Pretending to be anti-PC but throwing the biggest fits about "Happy Holidays" or why football man won't stand for the flag.
• Promising to lock up Hillary Clinton and not following through. Like seriously, that was the only part of his stupid policies I was looking forward to.
• Continuing Obama's shit border policy but then ramping it up by separating families.
• Shredding the successful Iran-Deal for no reason and then recently ordering the murder of a state representative: a literal war crime.
• "Both-sides" nonsense when calling literal nazis fine people.
• People like Stephen Miller (a nazi), Steve Bannon (an "economic nationalist"), John Kelly (a piece of shit), "Mad Dog" Mattis (a war criminal), Betsy Devos (a clueless plutocrat and sister of a war criminal), Sean Spicer/Rense Pribus (snake oil salesmen), etc. all shit heads that are/were in his cabinet at some point.
• Totally fucking up the response to the disasters in Puerto Rico, where basically a 9/11 happened.
  
• Continuing the sanctions on Venezuela which has resulted in the deaths of over 40,000 people and trying to promote a coup with that Guaido joker.
• Facilitating the coup in Bolivia.
• The Shit-Hole country comment in conjunction with immigration policy changes.
• Breaking off positive advancements in US-Cuba relations and continuing the 6-decade long criminal embargo.
• Signal boosting right-wing conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, and other "journalism" outlets.
• More tax cuts that only benefit the uber wealthy and further widening the massive wealth gap.
• Getting even more money for the military budget and "space force" (helped out by shitty democrats), but for some reason we don't have money to actually help American citizens, just war profiteers.
• Denying the existence of climate change and pushing policies that will make it worse.
• Starting a dumb-ass trade war with China which didn't do anything but hurt American farmers, whose suicide rates are rising like crazy.
• Claiming to want to do something about the opioid crisis when running for office, but hasn't done shit.
• The simple fact he doesn't pay people for their services.
• His words and actions have lead to an increase in hate-crimes, often committed by people in MAGA hats or just yelling "Trump" when they're being shitty people.
• Aiding the apartheid state of Israel break international laws.
  
• Plans on defiling ANWR.

I've watched several minutes into each one. What am I supposed to learn from watching it? That the average American doesn't know shit from a candy bar?

They're not fake, I've been aware of the sheer ignorance of my fellow countrymen for decades.

Bruh, you haven't been paying attention much. America has never been free, and "freedom of speech" has been reduced to a hollow buzzword by the right-wing. And media manipulation? That's not new either at all. Maybe we can agree to break up the media conglomerates?

What?