Punishers for specific characters

Effective ways to punish certain characters with Shun. Mainly am looking at different types of punishing moves that work against certain characters maily Lion and Akira (Akira's elbows) but really against any character. Just let everybody know how you deal with specific characters and how you counter them!

 

Everyone looking for Shun's punishers should just search a character in this page, I listed pretty much all I could find for every character and the list already is pretty complete! Enjoy!

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Some basic punishment with Shun out of my head, not official:

High punishment:

11f = 46 PPP
12f = PK / P 4K
14f = 236 KPP (6 DP)
15f = 1 P+K
16f = KKP
16f = 236 P (6 DP)
16f = 236 PP (8 DP)


Low Punishment:

15f = 6PP
17f = 8K+G
18f = 66K

I'd say Shun's punishment game is not his virtues. No 14f punish until 6 DP either...

EDIT: The announcement to the beginning.

 

Well, you don't exactly need a 14f punish in this game too often. Having a launch for -15 is plenty good. I just wanted to point out that you can also punish some lows with 236P (like Lions 41236P) and 66K (18f) for a bit more oomph.

 

11f is also pretty redundant.

 

Good points!

I guess 6PP is the go-to low punish at 16f with no drinks.

Judging from PSN Shun's, 1P K (14f) is like the only punish anyone ever uses. (but hey, it launches at major CH after 7 DPs)

 

Good tips from everyone! but what about when you get rushed with a combo or when a Sarah player is doing all those flamingo stances and applying pressure how do safely get out of those I found out that 1P+K+G, P+K can evade and punish but you got to time it exact.

 

I play little Sarah, but according to Sarah's move list these Flamingo moves have minus frames for guaranteed punishing:

P 2K = -13
KKKK = -15
6KK = -13
7K = -28
2/8 P+K = -10
6 K+G = -15
2 K+G = -16
2K (BT) = -16

Note that all -10 and more can be punished by throw (attempt) too.

You can see Sarah's all punishable moves with their respective recovery frames in this video and look at Shun's punishment attacks written in this thread (which I'm sure are not complete):

 

PUNISHING LIST !!!

This should be a very comprehensive punishing list for characters with key moves AND combos that work on specific character up to 8 DP! The list is written with three characters in a post to improve readability. Please note that with many moves the exact punishable frames depend on the distance, so you may not always get a hit you are hunting for. Dojo things out first if you do not get in the supposed punish. Please also note that even though moves like Pai's or DS Vane's 2K does allow -15 punish, they have additional follow-ups that kill the punish. So keep this in mind when interpreting the list.

Throw punishment works from -10 and has universal damage scaling system depending on DP count. In addition, specific combos from Shun's 6P+G and 63214P+G throws depend on opponent and DP count too and the highest dmg options are later added here from the combo list section for some punishment planning (since a single throw escape can always be entered). I'll note the minimal required DP count for these as well.

EDIT: Added throw punishable moves (thx Erdraug for the suggestion!). I'll try to get into adding some missed throw attacks punishes and those 10+ DP punishes in the near future too.

LEGEND:
Damage is noted in descending order from highest to lower (others are noted for various other benefits like easy exe, carry, oki, DP or just pure variety). I note standing and crouching punishment separately, as opponent's standing and crouching states demand specific punishes. That minus [-] in front of the frame number simply means the minus frames on block of moves mentioned after (guaranteed frames with point blank range) and the next line is the whole punisher with blue CH damage and special requirements (Closed/Open stance and/or Shun's DP requirement) noted. A few of the noted punishers do not give blue CH but still do connect.




Taka:

Standing punishment:

-10 (PPPPPP; 63214P; 63214P P+K; 44P+K)

Throw

-13 (3P; 1PP)

PP4P = 39 dmg
PP4PP = 56 dmg (4+ DP)

-15 (33P; 6KK; 2K; BT 2K; 6P+K PP; 4P+K P; K+G P; 2/8 K+G)

1P+K PP4P = 50 dmg
1P+K PP4PP = 61 dmg (4+ DP)

-16 (6KPP)

1P+K PP4P = 50 dmg
1P+K PP4PP = 61 dmg (4+ DP)
236P, 6K+G, 66 43P+K,P = 73 dmg (6 DP, Closed)
236PP 43P+KP = 65 dmg (8+ DP)

-17 (33P+K)

1P+K PP4P = 50 dmg
1P+K PP4PP = 61 dmg (4+ DP)
236P, 6K+G, 66 43P+KP = 73 dmg (8+ DP, Closed)
236PP 43P+KP = 65 dmg (8+ DP) = 73 dmg (8+ DP)
214P+K 6K+G 43P+KP = 78 dmg (11+ DP; lose 3 DP)

-18 (46P; 2_46P+K; 66_P+K)

66K PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4PP = 66 dmg (4+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2P+K; Tachi'ai K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-20 (2P+K P; 1P+K)

66K PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4PP = 66 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 43P+K P = (8+ DP)

After 6 DP, 236P instead of 1P+K allows more carry with 33P+K (-16) but with same damage. Same applies for 8K+G since -18. When at -18, the 66 part of 66K must be buffered promptly.




Jeffry:

Standing punishment:

-10 (PKP)

Throw

-13 (PPP; 3PP; 33P; 2K+G)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (43P)

46PPP = 34 dmg

-15 (43PP; 6PP KPK; 6K; 2KP; Threat Stance PP)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)

-16 (1P+K~K)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)

-20 (Backturned 2K)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (1K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (Jump descending P)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)

-20 (1PP)

8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP (4+ DP) = 65 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P 236KPP = 72 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)




Wolf

Standing punishment:

-10 (66K+G; 4K+G)

Throw

-13 (P6PP; 6P+K; 33P+K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (6PP; 46P; 46P+K; 4K+GK)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)

-16 (2_36P)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP (4+DP) = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-18 (62K; Jumping descending K; BT 2K)

8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 236KPP = 76 dmg (8+ DP)




Akira:

Standing punishment:

-13 (K+G (release G within 1 frame); 3K+G P+K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (2K+G)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (K+G P; 2_46P; 33P; 66K; Teirou Kanpo K)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP+K = 71 dmg (6+ DP)

-22 (BT P+K)
-24 (3K+G P P+K; 3K+G P 466P+K)
-26 (66KK)
-32 (466P+K)

66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6KKP = 67 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4P = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4P = 77 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ dmg)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K; Jumping descending K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (BT 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)

-17 (6P 4K)

8K+G P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G P PP4P = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4P = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236P P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 43P+K P = 88 dmg (8+ DP)


EDIT: Thanks to Combolammas (below) for additional Taka stuff, I added those combos here. (I only got a green version of the dash-to-scorpion kick combo, but I know many people can do it)

 

vs Taka at 8 dp you can punish -16 and up with

236PP, 43P+K,P for 65 dmg (one point more than 1P+K, 6_PP4PP)

from closed stance you can do 236P, 6K+G, fast dash 43P+K,P for 73 dmg

For -17 with 11 dp you can do 214P+K, 6K+G, 43P+K,P from both stances for 78 dmg but you lose 4dp for doing so.

 

I'll do the 10+ DP combos last, since they are such a chore to test. Also as a side note, I leave out certain universal rising kicks (-15) and throw class (-10) as they are universal. Keep in mind that some moves give less block frames when executed from further away (or may have more pushback). For example Jacky's 46K+G may end at -14 when blocked at the point of the ankle and his 9K pushes faaar away, so remember to evaluate the range and dash quickly if you have lots of frames to spare. There is <66> when a dash is recommended. And last I'd agree that yeah, whiff punishing is often vandalously better, but block punishing works (nearly) everytime! Let's continue.




Jacky: (I dropped the moves that are in mid part of 2K+G string, since he can continue the string on reaction)

Standing punishment:

-10 (PPK; P+K)

Throw

-13 (2K; 3PP P+K; 3KP 2KK; Slide shuffle 2KK; Slide shuffle P+K P)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (9K; 46K+G; 6K; KK)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-16 (1P+K PP; PP6PPP; PP6PK; 6PK)

1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 43P+K P = 88 dmg (8+ dmg)

-19 (2K+GKKKK)
-26 (9K)

66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
8K+G 6KKP = 67 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
66K PP4P 46PP+K = 70 dmg (Closed, 4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ dmg)

In 9K, dash before 8K+G.


Crouching punishment:

-15 (1K; 3KP 2K; Slide shuffle 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (PP6PP2K; 6PP2K; 4P2K; Jumping descending K; BT 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 43P+K P = 88 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (1K+G)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Jean

Standing punishment:

-10 (66P+K)

Throw

-13 (KPP; 4KKP; 236P+K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (6K; 9K+G (-12 to -15); 4KKK; 1K+G; PP2K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-18 (2K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (1K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (BT 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P PP4PP (6+ DP) = 65 dmg




Lau:

Standing punishment:

-10 (PPP; 3PPP)

-13 (3KPP; 9K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (2K; Kokei K)

46PPP = 34 dmg

-15 (3P+K; 9K+G P; 3PPPK; 44P K+G; 2_46P; PPPK; P4PP; 4PKP; Kokei PPP)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-16 (2_3P P+K; 9K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-17 (6K+G)

Close range:
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

Far:
3KP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

- 15 (1K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (Kokei K+G K; BT Kokei 2K; Jumping crouching K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP (6+ DP) = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (2K+G)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 43P+K P = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-25 (PPP2K; 3PPP2K)

66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg (Closed)
66K PP4P 46PPP = 68 dmg (Open)
66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
8K+G 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 43P+K P = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

In Lau's 66K PP4P 46PPP = 68 dmg (Open) the second 46PPP punch misses.

 

Since I see people try it sometimes online I think it's worth noting that fl 2/8p+k is not throw punishable, immediate throw attempts will whiff. Maybe a throw with really long range like giant swing will work but in general it doesn't.

 

Lei:

Standing punishment:

-10 (9K+G)

Throw

-12 (66K; 3/9P+K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

That 66K punish does not register blue ch, therefore it's only 32 and 30 dmg dmg.

-12 (33K+G K K+G)

46PPP = 32 dmg
6PP = 38 dmg

Somewhat inconsistent punishment after the high part, which altogether is very easy to crouch for about any launch punishment from whiff.

-13 (8KK; 9K; 6P+K PP; Dokuritsu KK; Suirakan P+K; Kyo shiki KK)

46PPP = 34 dmg

-15 (33PP; 1P+K; 2K; P+K PP; 4P+K P; 43P+K; Nehan shiki P+K PP)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (Closed, 4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-11 (3K+G K+G)

1P = 23 dmg

- 14 (Suirakan K)

1P = 25 dmg

-15 (BT Koko shiki 2K)

6PP = 40 dmg

-16 (33K+G)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (4K+G KK; 2K+G; Hai shiki 2K; Dokuritsu 4KKK; Dokuritsu 2/8 K+G; Nehan shiki 2K; BT Nehan shiki 2K)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 69 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Kage:

Standing punishment:

-10 (46P+K P)

Throw

-13 (4PK; 46K+G; 9K; Shippujin K+G K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (3KPP; PPPK; 2_6K; 46K+G K; Shippujin K+G; BT K+G)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-16 (6K+G; PPP4K; PP4K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-19 (2P+K K; 3K+G)

66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
66K 6_P 1PK = 64 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 54 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 64 dmg (4+ DP)
236PP 6_P PP4PP = 74dmg (8+ DP)

-20 (4KKK)
-22 (623P+K)
-27 (8P+K; 66K+G; Shippujin 6_KKK)
-31 (1K)
-38 (9K+G)
-71 (66P+K+G)

66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K 6_P 1PK = 64 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6 DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-11 (Jumonji 2K)

6PP = 36 dmg

-15 (2K)

6PP = 40 dmg

-16 (Jumonji 2K; BT Jumonji 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P PP4PP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (BT 2K; PPKK; Shippujin PK; BT Shippujin 2K)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-19 (Zenten or Kouten K; Jumonji running 3K+G)
-21 (66K; While running K; Shippujin 2KK)
-30 (623P+K K)

66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Goh:

Standing punishment:

-10 (33P; 4K; 3KP; 66P+G)

Throw

-13 (46P+K P 6P; 3P+K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (1K; 1P+K; 4K+G; 1K+G; 2/8K+G)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg (Open)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (Open, 4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K)

6PP = 40 dmg

-16 (3K+G~P+G)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KPP = 66 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

 

Brad:

Standing punishment:

-10 (Ducking K+G)

Throw

-13 (3P+K P; Ducking P+K P)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (1K+G PPK; 66K; 2K; 6K+G; Sway back K+G; Sway back PP2K; Slipping PP2K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (Closed, 4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-16 (PPPK; 6PK; 9K; P+K PP; Jumping descending K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (K+G K; 2K+G)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 236KP 43P+K = 70 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (1P; 1K)

6PP = 38 dmg




Lion:

Standing punishment:

-10 (3PP; Tourou Teihozen PPKP; BT 2K)

Throw

-13 (6PP; 66KK; 46P+K PP; 6K+G; 1K+G)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (4KP; 1P+K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (43P; 1P; 2K; 2P+K; Tourou Teihozen 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (1PP; 41236P; 9/3P+K+G K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (2KK; 3K+G; Tourou Teihozen PP2K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

Notice that 9K+G misses in Closed when 2KK is blocked even slightly further away. Use 6PP when in doubt.

-19 (PP P+K)
-21 (2K+G)
-23 (1K)

66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 43P+K = 71 dmg
66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K 6_P 1PK = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Shun:

Standing punishment:

-10 (6PP)

Throw

-13 (PPKK; KK2PK; 1KK; 8K+G; OUS KP2KK; BT OUS K; SOU PP; BT P+K+G PP)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-13 (4K+G)

46PPP = 17 dmg

Only the last punch hits.

-14 (SOU K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

Shun cannot block and lunges back to SOU. Shun loses even to 66K with fastest (PP or 2K) retaliation from SOU. Shun's 66K and 236P are guaranteed to hit, 8K+G may have range issues.

-15 (66K)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (Closed, 4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

The first combo is also the strongest here. ;-)

-16 (PPPK)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (Closed, 4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-16 (66P+K; Running P+K)

wo OUS
43P+K = 28 dmg
43P+K P = 43 dmg (8+ DP)

to OUS
43P+K 6_PP4P = 48 dmg
43P+K 6_PP4PP = 59 dmg (4+ DP)

-20 (7K+G)

66 1P = 23 dmg

-21 (1K; OUS KP2K)
-24 (PPK)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Closed)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-29 (4K)

66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg (Open)
66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P 236KP 46PP P+K = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
66 236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-36 (4K+G [second hit])

Dunno how to setup this


Crouching punishment:

-15 (KK2P; 2K; 1K+G; SOU 2K; BT SOU 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg

-16 (Jumping descending K; Zabantetsu 2K; OUS 2K)

6PP = 38 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (2K+G; 2K+G K; 2K+G KK; CHOU K+G)

8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-21 (1PK; 3K+G; OUS 6K)

66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
66K 6_P 1PK = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Girls & Blaze next ....->

EDIT: Added 66K PP4P 1P/3P = 68 dmg as a -21 option against Shun and 66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg against Lion.

 

Vanessa:

Standing punishment:

-10 (OS 3P+K K)

Throw

-13 (DS Hold G 2/8P: OS66KP)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (DS 2K; OS 2K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (OS 3KK; OS 9K; OS 2K+G)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (DS 6PKK)

46PPP = 34 dmg

Too much pushback for 1P+K.

-16 (DS PPK; OS PP6PPK; OS PP6PK; OS 6PPK; OS 6PK)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (OS PPK)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 43P+K = 71 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (DS 1K; OS 1K; OS 2K+G)

6PP = 34 dmg

-16 (BT DS 2K+G)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-17 (DS 1K+G)

6PP = 34 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg (Open)
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg (Open)
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg (Open)
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg (Open)
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg (Open)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (Open, 4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (DS 2K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Sarah:

Standing punishment:

-10 (2P+K)

Throw

-12 (9K+G PPK)
-13 (WS KK; 6P+K 3PK; 9K; FL P2K; FL 6KK; Step PP; Step K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (4PK4K; 1K+G)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ dmg)

236KPP works on 1K+G only in point blank range.

-15 (1K; 2P+K K; KK; 3KK; FL KKKK; FL 6K+G; Backward Slide 2K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

Sarah's 1K is -15 close by, but further hit is -14.

-16 (WS K)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
46P+K PP = 59 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-17 (WS K~K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (PPPK; 6PK; Forward Slide 2K)
-27 (7K; PPP7K)
-28 (FL 7K; Forward Slide PPK)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P KKP = 64 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K; 2K+G)

6PP = 34 dmg

-16 (FL 2K+G; BT FL 2K)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (3K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Pai:

Standing punishment:

-13 (3PP6P; 3PK; 1P; KK; 66KP; 3KPP; 7K; 2P+K KP; Bokutai PK; BT K)

36PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-15 (PPKK; WS P+K P; 3K+G; Meishouho PP)

1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K P 2P 46PPP = 57 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-17 (PPPK; 6KPK)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-19 (9KK)
-21 (Meishousho; PPP4K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 1P = 68 dmg
66K PP4P 3P = 66 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K P 2P 46PPP = 57 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 73 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

Regarding PPP4K, move slightly forward or do a quick dash (66) for ensuring Shun's 8K+G to hit.

-21 (6KP4K)

66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K P 2P 46PPP = 57 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-23 (7K+G)

66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg (Open)
66K PP4P 43P+K = 71 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 68 dmg (Closed)
66K PK4 K+G = 68 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
33P = 25 dmg
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

Timing for 66K must be precise. I noted 33P (slightly delayed) for a consistent and easy hit. In 66K PP4P 46PPP combo the second 46PPP punch misses.


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K; 2K+G; Hakkeshou K)

6PP = 34 dmg

-16 (Bokutai K; Meishousho K; Meishousho K+G PK)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (PPP2K: PP4PKK; 6KP2K; 1K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Against Sarah's FL 2/8K+G (-10) throw does not connect.

 

Aoi:

Standing punishment:

-10 (6KP; 6P+K P)

Throw

-13 (PPPK; PP6PP; PP8/2PP; 2_3P; 66K; 44P+K; 9/3P+K P; 33P+K; P+K P4PP)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (2K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (64P+K P; Ryu'in K; Jumping descending K)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-16 (6KK)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (1K)

6PP

-16 (Ryuka K+G)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (PPP8K; 2K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)



El Blaze:

Standing punishment:

-13 (4PK; 4PKP; 3PPK; 41236PP; 2KPK; P+K PP; 1P+K; Rocket Discharge 9K+G P; Rocket Discharge PP)
-14 (2K; 7K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (2K; 7K)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (PPK; P2K; 4KPP; 6K+G;

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-17 (46PP2K)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (6PK)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 1P = 71 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K P 2P 46PPP = 57 dmg (Closed)
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-14 (2K; 7K)
-15 (1K)

6PP = 34 dmg

-16 (Rocket Discharge 2K)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (2K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-22 (1K+G)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 69 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)




Eileen:

Standing punishment:

-10 (214PPP; 236K)

Throw

-13 (3PP; Enkou Nyudou P)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg

-14 (P3PK)

46PPP = 34 dmg
PK = 32 dmg
PK4 = 32 dmg
236KPP = 55 dmg (6+ DP)

-15 (4PPK; 9K; 6P+K PP; 2_3P+K P; 2P+K G K; 8P+K+G PPP; 236KK; 214K+G)

1P+K 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
1P+K 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6KP = 59 dmg
1P+K 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
1P+K 6_P 6_PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 6_P 6KPP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
1P+K 236KP 46PPP P+K = 75 dmg (6+ DP)

-23 (7K+G)

33P = 25 dmg
66P+K = 32 dmg (8+ DP)


Crouching punishment:

-15 (2K; 8P+K+G K)

6PP = 34 dmg

-16 (Goku Shicchi K+G K; Zenkuhon 2KK, 6PP2K)

6PP = 34 dmg
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-18 (PPP2K; 6K+G K; 2K+G; 3K+G; 9P+K+G PK; Enkou Nyudou 2K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-19 (214K)

66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 3K = 69 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 69 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

-21 (Goku Shicchi K+G; Zenkuhon 2K)

8K+G 6_P 6KKP = 74 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP = 73 dmg
66K PP4P 3K = 69 dmg
66K PK4 K+G = 69 dmg
8K+G 66 6KKP = 67 dmg
8K+G 6_P 6_KK2P = 61 dmg
66K 6_P PP4P = 60 dmg
8K+G 6_P 1PK = 59 dmg
8K+G 6_P PP4P = 55 dmg
66K PP4P 46PPP+K = 74 dmg (4+ DP)
66K 6_P PP4PP = 70 dmg (4+ DP)
8K+G 6_P PP4PP = 65 dmg (4+ DP)
236P 236KP 6K+G 66 236KPP = 90 dmg (6+ DP)
66K 236KP PP4PP = 85 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 82 dmg (6+ DP)
236P 236KP PP4PP = 79 dmg (6+ DP)
236PP 6_P 6K+G 66 236KPP = 91 dmg (8+ DP)

 

@Neonomide: Good job, very detailed.

A couple of (vane related) stuff:

Is there a reason Shun can't use his to punish OS (it recovers standing) ?

Maybe mention that DS & OS have followups (so trying to punish will probably end with shun getting punched?).

You're missing the DS jump > sweep, which actually gets some mileage since it knocks down on NH.

Last question is not vane specific: may i ask why you're skipping -10 moves for all characters (a vane example would be OS ). Afterall, they do guarantee a throw attempt, it's better than nothing.

BTW i just noticed i'm in your sig quote (complete with typos ) so double thumbs up

 

Thanks! I actually left out many jumping attacks, since I figured out this was the first draft version and leaving those out made the completion faster. I'm gonna add them, sure. I'll add the -10 moves as well, point taken.

Regarding Vane's OS 2K+G, 1P+K actually eats it, fixed. I guess I should note the moves with natural followups at least in explanation section too. I try to fixlook at these before going into 10+ DP punishes, which gets duper interesting.

EDIT: Throw punishes added.