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Quickest Way to get out of Stagger

Discussion in 'Dojo' started by Mackfactor, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. Mackfactor

    Mackfactor Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    Vf5sega
    Quickest Way to get out of Stagger?
    Someone told me the best way to is to do a 360 on ur pad,, and then press G?
    Another person told me to toggle back n forth then G...

    can someon confirm how to break staggers? what is the best input and quickest way. I cannot seem to break staggers for some reason.. I am on pad by the way, maybe thats why
     
  2. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Akai_JC
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    Akai JC
    Go to the "Do the inputs used for struggling matter?" portion of the first <a href="http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/193087#Post193087" target="_blank">
    post.</a>
     
  3. social_ruin

    social_ruin Well-Known Member

    we discussed this a little over the mic mackfactor, but i feel strongly about this so i will put it in writing. Struggle recovering is like many things in vf5. There is a way to do it, and perhaps even a best/most effective way to achieve our goal. In this case the way to struggle recover is to wait until the joystick turns red and rapidly input buttons/directions (not positive, but read the link akai gave for more info).

    Now i know this may sound philosophical, but like i said i feel strongly about this: the best way is not so important as "what is the way YOU can CONSISTENTLY do it fastest". The only way to find this is in the dojo with practice.

    For me, on my joystick, i do left,right, then down while simultaneously pressing (drumming one after the other very quickly) k,p, hold g. I only do this sequence once, ending in holding G.

    This has a few tangible point that are essential to what i am trying to accomplish.
    1. It seems to work well.
    2. It leaves me ducking and guarding (theoretically i could fuzzy from here)
    3. Most importantly, i can CONSISTENTLY do it for some level of stagger recovery (at least when i'm practicing it, say once every couple weeks). Sure i can sometimes recover quicker by spazzing out on the controller and buttons, but using the above method i can commit it to muscle memory and have it as a tool waiting when i need it...in theory at least.

    I hope this helps you.
     
  4. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

    PSN:
    manjimaruFI
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    freedfrmtheReal
    Keep G pressed, and then do 360. If you manage to press P and K as well thats good too. But the important thing is to do it in correct tim,e that is, when the stick icon is red.
     
  5. Combolammas

    Combolammas Sheep

    I do what Manji says except that I piano K,P,G once or twice depending on the stagger and in the end leave the G pressed.
     
  6. VFnumbers

    VFnumbers Well-Known Member Content Manager Lei

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    VFnumbers
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    For me on a 360 pad i'll rotate the thumbstick a full 360 degrees and hit both g and p by slidin my thumb like g,p,g,p,g,p then hold g. Using an arcade stick i move tne joystick left and right while hitting pkg pg gg hold g or if im lazy hold g and just mash p. u should start staggering once the icon turn red
     
  7. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    Yeah, everything you need to now is in the link Akai posted.

    I repeatedly input /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif on the stick, i can repeat these inputs way faster than I can a full 360 motion so I find it works a lot better.

    Inputting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is definitely necessary too.

    EDIT: I actually tried using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif cause I noticed that's how a lot of the jap players struggle, they was struggling stumbling trip with it easy so I had to check it out /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
     
  8. Ash_Kaiser

    Ash_Kaiser Marly you no good jabroni I make you humble... Bronze Supporter

    Hold /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, rotate stick and alternate /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif repeatedly works best for me.
     
  9. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    If you do circles, there's a chance you will end crouching and get hit by whatever you were trying to guard. If you do back and forth, not so much. If you do back and forth at the top of the gate, like feck mentioned, there's even less chance of crouching.
     
  10. Leonard_McCoy

    Leonard_McCoy Well-Known Member

  11. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Myke623
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    Just about everything anyone needs to know about stagger recovery was, I thought, uncovered by KoD some time ago with use of his programmable controllers.

    Programmable inputs / Esoteric frame data Q&A (see Q: Do the inputs used for struggling matter?)

    Your blog entry seems to imply the stagger icon colour doesn't matter ("not overtly important"). It does matter. [​IMG] I highly recommend you, and anyone else unsure about stagger recovery, read KoD's findings.
     
  12. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

    PSN:
    manjimaruFI
    XBL:
    freedfrmtheReal
    Programmable controllers are teh shit. I want some.
     
  13. Leonard_McCoy

    Leonard_McCoy Well-Known Member

    KoD (btw where has he been the last half year) clearly says in his blog post that you are not penalized for struggling too early. So, following that line of thought, it's not that important whether the joystick icon for wriggling the stick is green or red, as long as you don't stop struggling after green...

    Quoting from KoD's post:
    Added KoD's find (in a slightly summarized form) to the blog post which should now make it clear that struggling at green won't register but also won't penalize you, either. As long as you keep on struggling at red it's all fine.
     
  14. Seidon

    Seidon The God of Battle walks alongside me! Content Mgr El Blaze

    I think the point is more to do with losing an input.

    A lot of people hold guard the second a stagger begins which ultimately causes you to lose an input the second it turns red.
     
  15. Hazzerone

    Hazzerone Well-Known Member

    From rough testing against Eileen's 3P+G throw it would appear that 10 inputs are needed to break the stagger when the stagger turns red. If someone would like to see if this is consistent for all staggers that would be great. I would do it myself if the dojo mode would allow for you to make the CPU do shoulder ram.
     
  16. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    I've been busy as fuck with work, now managing several programmers in addition to trying to get my own work done.

    Most people cant struggle at full speed for very long. Watching the joystick icon to get the timing down definitely helps IMHO.

    Regarding hazzerone's question, different staggers are definitely harder to struggle out of, they're not all the same.
     
  17. Jide

    Jide The Super Shinobi Silver Supporter

    PSN:
    Blatant
    Q.
    Akira's stumble trip in VF 4 EVO, I believe it was near impossible for Jacky and Aoi to struggle out the follow ups.


    Also Wolf's 270's had a bigger active frame window than regular throws?

    Do these this still apply in VF5?
     
  18. Kiuju

    Kiuju Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    JOHNNYDANGE12
  19. Leonard_McCoy

    Leonard_McCoy Well-Known Member

    We can have a test session if you want (unfortunately only online).
     
  20. Leonard_McCoy

    Leonard_McCoy Well-Known Member

    You are being missed on IRC (no one's kicking me anymore from #vfhome...). But having loads to do is a real good sign in these times of (economic) crisis.
     

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