Racism (was Politics)

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geez, first she says that 99% of black votes for obama are voting for him based on race, then she says she is furthest thing from a racist..

stupid cow

my opinion:
for the benefit of the rest of the planet, please... no more fucking republicans in the white house

 

Funny thing is she says black people vote for obama cause he's black. She MUST admit that she primarily supports Clinton because
she's a woman. She wouldn't be so passionate otherwise. Hypocrisy
is great!

 

I don't think its fair to assume she is a racist because of a statement like that. Note I didn't watch the video since I am at work, if there is some other statement she made I apologize. But the one you mention is more an uneducated assumption. I think its more of an insult to tip toe around what you say because someone will consider it racist.

EDIT: TWP really confirms what I was saying, or at least made a good analogy that reflects my point. If a man were to say all women were just voting for Hillary because she is a woman, then that would at most be considered sexist by the obvious extremist but in no way racist. Its just unfair to categorize someone as racist for such an inane comment....Again I didn't see the vid, so if shes carrying a crazy Neo-Nazi flag sorry lol.

 

Well in the vid she went on a tirade talking about him being an
inadequate black male who only ran because she was a white woman.

Insinuating that Obama wouldn't run against a white man.
It's a bit of a racist + sexist backhand. Black guy wouldn't
have the guts to take on a white man! Wakeup bitch, he's going
against Mccain.

 

the reasons im voting for obama do not include his race as a factor at all..

first off, Obama not a replublican and theyve had more than their fair chance to run this country in to the ground for the last 8 years..

second, hes not older than peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, the golden gate bridge AND FM radio.. John McCain is older than Don Imus, Dick Cheny AND hes older than possibly the entire Wu Tang Clan (ok the last one probably isnt true just cause theres 9 of em)

third, Obama has The Juice. you know what The Juice is.. when he talks people listen, they look interested and when he's done they actually remember what he said.. he steamrolled the clinton campaign machine and all the money they thought would buy them the white house again.. McCain speeches sound like bedtime stories, i fall asleep thinking about McCain talking..

Obama says all the right things and he knows how to say them.. Im glad he got the nod over hillary even though i wouldve done almost anything to get Bill back in the white house (including vote for a dream ticket with her as VP; just to get Bill back)..

the fact that Obama is black (brown, dark beige?) and i am too are negligible factors.. America is ready for a cosmetic change, even if it doesnt change much in the long run.. we're not leaving Iraq overnight and the recession/oil 'crisis' isnt going anywhere either..

the top 5% have been running this country aground for hundreds of years, theyre gonna continue abusing the bottom 95% till we get a clue and stop arguing about stupid things like race and class and money.. none of us have it, they do; the only power the bottom 95% has it the power to vote and it is rarely exercised..

glass half full: Obama wins, no significant changes
glass half empty: McCain wins, we all bend over for a 3rd time..

 

Good post dude, well said lol!

 

shes a stupid cow and thats the end of it homes /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

thanks Auvii (how do you say that, Ah-vee? A-oo-vee?)

 

Ah-vee /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

So, you're saying that a stereotyping remark on why Black people are doing something is not racist?
If I said "White people are only going to vote for McCain because he's White" most of my White friends would say that's racist and I would agree.
I have a lot of female friends and a lot of them are pissed off that Obama got the nomination over Hillary. They think that it's because she's a woman. Some of them have gone as far to say "America doesn't want to see a woman in charge. America would rather elect a Black man than a White woman just because he is a man." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif
It's almost like the fact that Barack has better speech skills, has the most people show up to his speeches (no, not most of them are Black all of the time) and has a better overall chance at winning the presidency count!

It's all fun and games because in a way we have all been desensitized to "lite" racism. "Black people love chicken"; "White people can't jump"; "Hispanics always carry knives"; "Asians are all good at VF" and other "euphemistic" sayings.
What about when those "lite" racist remarks start getting heavier and stop being "funny"? It's racist for anybody to look at me and determine from my race (or skin color) that I am going to vote for Obama because he is Black. I'm not. I'm voting for him because out of the two runners he is the best man for the job, imo.

On topic: here's Bill O' Reilly's lackey, um, I mean producer /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif getting owned by Bill Moyer /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif I love it when Bill O' Reilly and Fox are made fools out of. UNEDITED, no editing needed to show these idiots for what they truly are.
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Hahaha, UNEDITED BUTTSLAM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

I think its absolutely great that these two are in the running for the presidency. A black man and a woman, and both have a fair shot? I wager that If you'd have told either to people twenty years ago they'd laugh in your face.

It's a sad truth that both black men and women are a minority among seats of power. It's only logical that both the minorities are going to clash and pull out the discrimination/racism card to defend their claims.

Both sides of the argument are valid however, which presents a new issue supporters of either side fail to see fully. By playing their discrimination card against the other they're implicitly claiming that theirs is the greater problem. Ie. discrimination against women is worse than against black people or vice versa.

A claim like that can never hold stake, so in effect neither side can claim their discrimination card (not until they go up against McCain anyway) and any who do are first degree bigots and hypocrits, whether they want to see it or not.

 

Black people voting for Obama in part because he is black is totally different than people voting for Hillary because she is white (or more accurately because she is running against a black guy).

I'm sorry, but hopelessness pervades a lot of the black experience in America and the idea of having a black President is enormously inspiring to a group of people that has suffered tremendously in our very wealthy nation. It's less a vote against "Whitey" and more a vote for a charismatic, articulate, brilliant black man who promises change.

Besides, Obama killed Hillary among educated voters of all ethnicities. Her main sources of support were women, old whites, and low-information whites and Latinos. It is difficult to quantify how much the support of the latter three groups can be attributed to their antipathy toward black people, but it played some role, especially in Appalachia.

 

racist:
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.


Stereotype:

# A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
# One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.


Making a stereotypical remark is NOT being a racist. In most situations its being uneducated and misinformed. People who use stereotypical made remarks as a backbone for accusing somone of being a racist are doing the exact same thing.

Its stereotypical to believe that a stereotypical remark is racist.

I am white. If my Asian friend were to say that the whites are mostly voting for McCain, assuming no other white was in the race for argument sake, I would not say he was a racist. I would argue that:

1. He could very well be right because there is unfortunately still a strong percentage of the US that are uneducated.

2. And that most importantly would not offend me. I don't take that type of thing personal at all. Others do though and thats fine, despite it being a useless thing to get angry over.


...Regarding your argument on how some women are taking this democratic win... Well is not fair to assume that there are in fact men or even women out there with that mindset? Not every person makes an educated vote. There will be whites who make a vote on the white and there will be men who avoid voting for a woman and there will be blacks who make the vote for blacks all for the obvious reasons. Whether or not thats the cause for the win, thats a different argument that can really only be proven by a census despite someones speech skills or popularity.

 

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/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif freudian slip?

 

wow ........fox let that on huh

 

knowing the rubbish that is fox news, it was only a case of when.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

Auvii you were basically saying the same thing I am, but I'm just going to clear a few things up semantically (I hate semantics but we need em.)

So from a psychological stand point stereotypes are the cognitive component, hence just harboring thoughts that generalize anything putting them under a blanket.

Racism falls under the behavioral component which psychologists call Prejudice which is acting out your stereotypical views. Racism is just a type of prejudice.

 

Thanks for sharing that, KtothgG. I clicked on the video and followed the link on the vids description to have her canned. She has been in the business for longer than I've been alive, she really should have known better.

 

so tonyfamlia, you signed the petition to get her sacked? lol

 

Racism: 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I don't know what dictionary you used but most of the ones I looked at described this as racism. Look, I don't want this to be a battle of dictionaries XD but maybe we just look at racism differently. We agree that it's ignorant but I know a few people who are big-time racists and are also very educated and informed as well.
Sadly, even though these people know better they still choose a "racist" lifestyle for whatever reason.

It isn't right but most of us at some point in our lives have said ignorant things about some other race. Does that make us racists?
I'm guessing this is where your logic comes in. I agree that it does NOT make us racists to make uneducated remarks about someone else's race BUT it still falls under racism.
I understand that the semantics of it play differently depending on the example used. Something like, if somebody trips, does that make them a klutz?

So while I agree with your statement, I have to add this:
Making a stereotypical remark is NOT being a racist BUT it does fall under the definition of racism.