(Semi-noob) What's wrong with this flowchart?

I got through VF4E Quest (I know) with my strategy pretty much centered around this:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

- if hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or just the dragon punch if they somehow techroll out of the first combo

- if blocked either
- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (a. TFT combos are hard b. CPU always escapes that one first)
- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - one of the above throws or
- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - ETE (usually all that comes off is regular /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif) which usually allows me to land a side throw


Since the moves are all still there, I figured I'd try the same i VF5. I still have to do some getting used to/replacing of the crappy xbox controller, but I'm getting better at it. It works reasonably well so far.

However, I never see this in any strategy guide or video. I just watched some Japanese video on youtube (o b u finals or sth?), and the Kage player did the 9K+G a few times, but without follow up when blocked.

So, why no follow up? Not as iron clad as I thought?

 

I'm actually curious about this fact too. I assumed kage was just given better options but back in vf4evo quest mode days I used to do the same thing. It even worked on a bunch of human players too.

 

Re: (Noob) What's wrong with this flowchart?

9K+G is even on guard, so it's a n equal guessing game for both players.

You should also be careful at using 9K+G randomly. This is a very bad habit of mine. High level players will just P me on reaction and get a free combo.

 

Re: (Noob) What's wrong with this flowchart?

I thought I had like two frames extra on guard - did this change from VF4?

Either way, thanks, that explains a lot. Thought it was the online lag, heh /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

BTW does P on reaction beat the catch throw? I used to use 9K+G or that against my (non-serious VF'er) buddies, but the CPU wouldn't have any of it. No appreciation for visual confusion. Worth it to start incorporating again?

 

Re: (Noob) What's wrong with this flowchart?

Both 9K+G and 9P+G will lose to P. If they duck 9P+G they have a guaranteed counter.

 

Re: (Noob) What's wrong with this flowchart?

No, it has always been even iirc. And yea, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is very slow so wary of throwing it out too much.