Serious training.

How do the best of the best get better. MasaRed, Gentleman Theif, None other, etc. When these guys/you guys train, what do u work on? Are you still getting better? Do u go to the dojo and work on fuzzy gaurding every move u need to, and then crouch fuzzy. How much do u work on ETEG? What balance of play vs. practice do u use to get as sharp as possible? I would like to take my game to the next level, but with time constraints, and interest constraint, would like to know the most efficient way to do this. I know similar threads to this have been posted, but i'm hoping the upper echelon (raider/barbarian + players) will answer. I already know how to be a 7th dan!
P.S. sorry to the moderators in advance if this has to be move, i do the best i can when creating posts : )

 

I tend to just look at the frames and see where I can use fuzzy/ETEG effectively, you learn pretty slowly this way but I think it works pretty well.

I don't think practising fuzzy/ETEG after every move where it's possible will help, as it's not always the right answer... it depends on what your opponent is doing/will do. So once you learn how to do these techniques, you don't have to practise doing them after every move.

Another thing I do is make sure I know my max damage combos against each character and even if I can't do them 100%, I try to use the right combo for my opponent.

EDIT: ooh, did I have to be the best to reply to this thread?!

 

I can tell you one thing from playing GT a lot, that they don't spend a lot of time on the forums so it's hard to get them to answer stuff unless you're playing them

 

Alright, I'll be nice : P. Even though I'm not one of the best at anything, I'm kinda new to this too...

All the stuff like ETEG and fuzzy guarding is fairly easy stuff and should only take maybe a week to learn. Seems like alot of high level players only ETEG with 2 TE's from what I've seen of inputs and I do the same, though I do more if I need to. Just attempt to use them during matches and know when they can be used and you're defense will improve over time. Also, know which TE's to use on each character and which throws the player likes to use. Of course, none of this really matters for Lei-Fei really : /, so you might wanna change characters for awhile.

Watch match videos, not just any match videos though, only really pay attention to the best players. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when someone else has already done the work for you. Don't just X-Copy either, know what and why they are doing these things otherwise it'll be useless as VF doesn't really work that way.

Play against people who are better than or equal to your skill level. I'm more likely to stay and play against someone who is winning most of the matches no matter how bad that win streak at the top of the screen looks.

Hope this helps.

 

Well, god knows I'm not one of the best but I think one of the best
ways to learn is too play a lot. I mean, an awful lot but a solid foundation is the key. Sometimes I think certain characters spoil
players from learning good fundamentals. After you have solid fundamentals building on the rest is relatively easy.

One of the reasons why I give a good amount of players trouble is
because I have decent fundamentals and a pretty good knowledge of
most of the characters and how they relate to Jeffry.

Theme aside haha, this is how I get by. Now although I can
hang with some of the names on here and USED to have a high
rank. I really can't give an opinion on how to stay on top
besides.

1. Fundamentals
2. Execution
3. Mind game

Most of the people that beat me regularly have killer execution.
I'm all mind game, but if you get the execution down of good
defensive techniques etc you can LIMIT the mind game.

 

I feel like defense is one of the things many players lack full control over and is what sets a good player apart from an aspiring player. Each sucessful TE, each well read ETEG saves you HP; I think of it now as giving myself more health to fight with. It forces your opponent to have to rely on options other than throw/linear strike which opens up the world for you. When by chance I do run across someone online who's not quite at my level I'll just practice defense on them which is still the weakest part of my game, so even if you aren't getting hammered by someone you can get some good practice between those great players that give you a hard time.

It is best though to play people who whip on you badly, but you can't do it too much or the game starts to become not fun anymore. Balance is key.

 

The Best? They would'nt even take credit for that giving they are very good players though.Ima leave that alone lol!

Anyways what i like to do to get my timing back is run a few drills in Dojo mode to get my timing, Footwork, defensive awareness, Throw Escaping input up to speed so forth and so on.

Whats i do for a defensive drill is se the cpu to Punch and a guard and i dance around the P after all of my safe attaks till my reaction feel natural.Example: Attack, Crouch the dash forward under P rise with a uppercut (Jacky,Brad.)crouch dash back P,Sidestep P, Fuzzy so i guess you get the picture.

Then i choose a character who's throws imunfamilar with and set it to Throw after guard and practice fuzzy and TE's. I try to practice input 3 escapes so i set it to 3 random.

 

Training habits of an excellent player.

 

I remember that thread, I still have it bookmark /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Not that I'm exactly the most venerable source for training tips for this particular game or anything, or that I'd really want to be, but a few key notes about being successful in actually learning about anything that involves such articulation, brain interactivity, and static muscle memory--an example would be something like a musical instrument, motorcycle racing, or anything that requires a very high level of concentration to excel at--are as follows:

Dedication- I think this is obvious, and it's been talked about already. The more you play the better you'll probably get.
Perseverance- close to dedication, but if you train hard for a month and decided, "Hey, I've learned enough to tide me over and i'll be good then too..." it quickly transpires into a recipe for failure. Gotta' keep 'own.
Interest- Another very apparent one. If you loose interest in something you won't achieve the level of excellence that you may have hoped for. Don't get burnt-out; find something else that you lik to switch it up once in a while.
Assessing your own capacity- This is a little more abstract than the others, but also one of the most important. If you have a mental disability, depression, physical handicap, or anything else that could come between you and something you want to do, you have to evaluate your capabilities and figure out if working 2x 5x or 10x harder than Joe Blow just to reach a "standard" success rate is worth it for you.
Being open minded- This is the one thing I really wanted to get across, and the one thing that is most often overlooked. Often times people get fixated on certain things and naturally go for it, which is good, but only to a point. This can create tunnel-vision, and stifle building strengths from things like humility, observation, creativity, and antipathy. All things that have the potential to broaden your horizons.

Hopefully after reading that It'll give you guys that are having some issues a foundation to work with.

Cheers.

 

Ultimately, I think the most important thing is that you like a game enough to want to be really good at it. Most people who become really good were never told by anyone else how much they needed to practice. They played day and night because they wanted to and were having fun doing it. That's really the bottom line right there, if you're not having fun then don't force yourself. People who play only for the sake of winning are the worst kind of players. They will sink as low as it takes to get a match, to the point where the game ceases to be fun to play; for either them, or the person they are playing against. And in the end they always fail when faced with the dedication of a player who truely loves the game. So take my advice, don't play with the attidude that you really have to be the best at a game for it to be any fun. Play because it is fun, and never force yourself to do anything you don't really want to do.

 

thanks for ur well thought out answers people. I think maybe somewhere my question was lost though. I was more wanting to know what good players do to continually improve. I assume at some point ur practice changes (if u practice). i work somewhat diligently on stagger recover and evade escapes. Stagger is boring but essential, and i may rarely evade escape, but i've decided i need to put in 1 escape every time i evade (at least for a little while) and then if my opp never tries to throw then go to crouchdash cancel into block. I don't know it will make me better but its something new and combined intelligently with what i do already can only make me better. Now if i were just intelligent, lol. Do elite players continue to improve? You hunters and slayers and barbarians do u still feel u r getting better? Thanks again peeps,

 

I really think once execution is no longer a problem you can only get better by playing other better players because it's just about how good is your yomi at that point. Outside of real fights you're just training your execution skills. That's all you're really practicing in training mode. You might come up with new mix up and stuff and want to practice it in training mode but that's still execution you're working on. Yomi skills is what makes a decent VF player into an amazing one.

 

Since this thread seems pretty appropriate, what's the best way to practice fuzzying and ETEG? Just dojo that shit, or is there any super secret gravity room stuff?

 

Dojo.

Play with TV off for maximum gravity.

 

I think I'd rather cut your head off and gain your fuzzying skills through an overly dramatic bolt of lightning.

 

A good way to practice ETEG is to set the computer to block and counter attack with either a strike or a throw. Do a move like an elbow and then evade and throw escape. You can set the computer to which directions you want it to use with the throws, so you can practice specific directions. Remember to practice evading up and down, and to do it on both P1 and P2 sides.

 

There can be only one.

 

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