Simple frames question.

Hello hello.
I wanted to see what happens when two attacks clash. According to the wiki here...
Vanessa P is +2 on block, 12f exe.
Sarah P is 10f exe.

With P,G,P, Vanessa's second punch should come out at the same time as Sarah's, correct?
Every time I try it, Vanessa's second P beats Sarah's P.

Why?

I'm testing with two controllers, and I'm fairly sure that I'm doing everything right...

 

remember you have to buffer the move properly in the block stun animation, otherwise sarah's punch will come always later after the block. And be sure you'r in DS, in OS Vanessa's jab is 11 exe not 12.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure the attack which does most damage wins in this situation. Isn't that why you can crush rising kicks.


It's easier to test this with moves with a bunch of active frames like sarah's 9K

 

Seidon you'r right, but vanessa's jab and sarah's jab do the same damage. This is one of those rare case where we see a trade.

 

I'm pretty sure that I'm buffering Sarah's punch correctly. If I only punch once with Vanessa, Sarah's punch comes out much later than my input.

I'll edit and add that if anyone with two controllers can test that and get a different result than Vanessa's P beating Sarah's P, I will be satisfied and accept that the problem is on my end and that normally the stronger attack beats the other.

 

You need a programmable controller to get the timing just right. Just use training mode dummy to check it out. Pretty simple

 

Okay... Well I did just that. Sarah CPU programmed to block and punish with P. With Vanessa's P,G,P I beat the punch every time.

 

Why can't anyone give a serious answer to this? It's obviously easy to test and by doing that you'll see Vanessa's P beats Sarah's P even though they supposedly do the same damage and occur on the same frame. Why?

 

I tested and verify that Sarahs punch is beaten out. Only explanation I see is that framedata is wrong.. Either Sarahs punch is slower or DS Vanessas faster or DS Vanes P gives +3 on block.

I guess we never had enough Vanessa players to notice this.

edit: I changed CPU Sarah to block and counter with mid attack ( Sarah 14f) and tried (blocked) -> which for DS Vanessa is a 16 frame attack that does same damage as Sarahs elbow, which means that the attacks should clash. Sarahs elbow is beaten out again. Its starting to look like DS Vane P gives +3 on block..

edit edit: Tried against Kage, Kages elbow beats out Vanes, makes sense since Kages elbow does 1 point more damage. Also Tried against Sarah -> + or + (17f attacks), Vane loses. Doctor Manjis diagnosis: frame data is wrong and DS Vanessas P gives +3 on block.

Thanks for finding this out.

 

What about testing this same setup with another character? It might just be that the CPU waits a couple of frames before attacking back.

 

Vanessa is broken. BANNED FROM NOW ON

 

Could doctor manji also try doing DS p blocked > f+k to beat low punches and tell us what happens, please?

 

Tested with PStick. Can't get Vane (OS/DS) P to trade hits with Sarah P. Not sure what more a PStick would add.

 

http://youtu.be/q7aEZVYPuKQ
http://youtu.be/EemWh-pDNzI

Playing VF5 again reminded me how great some of the practice mode settings are. Definitely useful for working out the Pstick.

 

Man, imagine the implications, everyone had this one frame wrong for years. It appears that I have now changed the world FOREVER!!!
...Until FS.

 

Thank you doctor marly