Just flipping thru the Ver C movelist and Aoi's special mids caught my eye: df+P b,df+P ff+P+K PPPK If this is true, Aoi is severely weekend IMO. If you didn't know, special mid attacks do no damage to a crouching defender. They stand the defender up. df+P can be used as a float launcher and b,df+P creates a stomach KD for low throw or combo opportunity. PPPK and PPPSweep can no longer be mixed up for scrub combo damage. Other notable special mids: Akira's FC,f+P Shun's QCF+P Lau's df+P and bb+P Lion's b,f+K+G,d+P and b,f+K+G,db+P are also special mid... making the mind game that could be played with the b,f+K+G,d+K useless now. Wolf's f,d+K is now a special low attack... <shrug> Wolf's PPP is listed as special mid, but Jeff's PPP is not... <boggle> (Is that a typo?) Jeff's df+P is not special mid... also strange IMO. kbcat, did you miss the special mid levels when you did Jeff's list?