spidey 2 fuck ups

spidey 2 mistakes

 

LOL there's an awful lot of mistakes found there. Must have been a rushed job /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

mj was sitting on the steps waiting for peter.

if u go back n watch the movie again..she's there~

I'm suprised no one picked up the biggest hole of all...

aunt may not confronting pete for leaving her in the bank...perhaps she knows he went n called for spiderman???

 

yeah..she's there

the camera was really focused on pete..u see MJ sitting down..but she's kinda outta focus..thus, i guess alot of ppl missed her.

 

Biggest thing that I caught that is not mentioned is the answer that Peter gives in his physics class....how much energy some part of an atom or something has...and he answers 25 electric electrons..DOH...electrons are energy...you don't have electric electrons...oh well ;P

 

It's suprising for such a film to have so many continuity/logic cock ups in it.

btw don't you mean electronvolts?

Electronvolts are a unit of energy based on the charge of the electron. (1 joule of energy = 1.602*10 to the -19 eV).

The electron is a particle(-wave) with an electric charge of 1.602*10 to the -19 C (Coulombs [charge]).

Sigh, as an anal physist, if I had seen this movie at the cinema I'd have been forced to stand up and correct him in front of the whole audience! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Juuust kidding!)

 

the line in the movie was/is "electric electrons"...thats what I am bitching about...I believe for charge it is ampheres?

 

Amps is a unit for Current.

Coulomb is the unit for (electric) Charge.

Joule is a unit for Energy but Electronvolts (eV) are an additional "convenient" unit of Energy.

It would have been correct if he said something like "13.6 electronvolts is the ionisation energy of the hydrogen atom" but the line "electric-electrons" is just plain nonsense you're right.

 

Doh, thats right....thank god I am done with physics ;P

 

Hehe yeah /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Funniest thing is that it's only just been released over here and already theres a web page full of the cock ups in it.

I would have thought Raimi would have been more careful in his work.

 

I actually noticed that as well. I turned to a friend and told him that eigen values don't have units (he proceeded to call me a geek). They're purely relational to a matrix or set of matrices. The only sense I could make of his answer was that the values were related to a matrix of values in electronvolts.

Silly thoughts nonetheless...

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Actually, if the answers were given in electronvolts then its not necesarily a fuck up at all.

Here's where it gets uber-geeky /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

In Quantum Mechanics and Atomic/Nuclear Physics we use mathematical objects called Operators (really just a fancy name) to calculate experimentally test-able quantities. They can be differential, integrals or in many cases, written in matrix form.

The "energy operator" (called the Hamiltonian) of specific quantum systems can sometimes be written in the form of a matrix (in general this is possible up to infinite dimensions, ie an infinite sized matrix). This is only possible when we have a discrete set of basis functions with which to describe our quantum system. If we have a continuous basis then we cannot use matrix methods and must use integration which can be a bitch.

The eigenvalues of the Hamiltonian matrix correspond to eigenstates of a quantum system. These are discrete states with a fixed energy. Hence, the eigenvalues have units of energy.

The same can be said of an angular momentum operator (which can also be written in matrix form), in which case we quote eigenvalues in terms of h bar (h, Plancks constant, divided by 2 pi) since h bar is the natural unit of angular momentm.

In general linear algebra of course, a general matrix may or may not have eigenvalues (check the discrimant) and if they do, they are just numbers with no units, which can be used to determine eigenvectors of the matrix (in QM these are called eigenfunctions).

So...and I stress I haven't seen the fim...if the question was about energy of a quantum/atomic/nuclear system then it's normal for the eigenvalues of the Hamiltonian matrix to be quoted with units of energy, eg eV in this case. In other cases within the fields mentioned eigenvalues are quoted with respect to what the matrix is an operator of (eg energy, angular momentum, spin etc).

Apologies all round for my anal-ness /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

 

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Actually... I'd say the majority of films, like probably 99.99999...%, have their share of mistakes/fuckups, whatever you want to call it. Especially if you include either logical flaws or lines that either don't make sense or goes against what we're supposed to interpret. But I'm sure we all know it's just naturally going to happen in feature film production.

The page might have been devoted to the mistakes in Spiderman 2, but it's a very small part of a website devoted to discussing/sharing what are interpreted (usually accurately) as mistakes in films.

What I found surprising at first was that there was a section on "Perfect Movies" -- but in fact, it's more or less a list of films that are targetted for people to look for mistakes that haven't been submitted yet.

I would find a lot of mistakes questionable as real mistakes, but that's expected because they're all submitted by guests. Fun discussion topics though.

The big natural bias though, is that on this site, the most popular movies will get the biggest list of mistakes.

I am glad that they have avoided some films... Some films would be virtually impossible to actually have a decent list of mistakes (unless it was something like the Saturday Night Fever boom-mic popping into frame). I mean, imagine one of my favorite films, "Lost Highway"--imo, there is no way to really determine what was accidentally a mistake or purposefully placed in that film.

Then there's also op-ed pieces like Fahrenheit 9/11 (just as an example here, we can keep all discussions of it in the other thread), should we call elements that leave things out a mistake? We pick on them in features, but let's say... Mocking the coalition of the willing while leaving out the fact that the UK is part of it. I thought the scene was still funny, but they could have kept the UK in and mention that they're the only other big troop supporter or something. Technically, Japan is part of it too... But this was all obviously on purpose and falls into the realm of argumentation. (BTW, I liked F9/11 but I much preferred Moore's other feature length documentaries.). But I guess because of the clarity of intent and holes in argument, this film gets on the "perfect list." We know what was intended, so how seriously should we have taken certain oversights?

Anyways, it's still always a fun topic of discussion /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif Movie mistakes I mean. Still love this film to death and all. (btw, this isn't all that abnormal with film these days, but kinda neat that the production/post-production was completely done for the film two weeks before the release, huh?)

-Chanchai

 

LM, were you the one that corrected that very "mistake" on the website? Here's what's on the corrections page:

In the scene where Peter Parker is at class in college, his professor asks for eigenvalues. Peter promptly answers in electron volts. Eigenvalues deal with linear algebra and matrices, and have no units. An electron volt is an energy unit, particularly for atomic and nuclear processes.

Correction: Finding Eigenvalues is part of solving many kinds of systems, not just matrix equations. If the problem represents something physical, the Eigenvalues will have dimensions. In fact, solving quantum mechanics problems often involves finding Eigenvalues in energy which are usually expressed in electron volts.

And here are a few more from the site:

When Harry walks into the Goblin room, he is startled by the mask his father wore. We are made to believe the mask is at the level of Harry's face, but when it pans out a bit later, it's waist high. [It appears that the area with the glider where Harry is standing is on a raised platform. You can tell this because the black pole that holds the mask extends lower than Harry's feet and even what he is standing on. This would give the impression that the mask is lower than it really is.]

Rosie is killed when a flying piece of glass hits her in the face. Later on when you see her on the stretcher, you can see both sides of her face for a moment, and there is no blood or any type of cut on her face. [The glass actually slices her neck and that's how she dies. The only reason her face is involved is we see her reflection in the glass as it flies towards her.]


Some "cute" mistakes on other films (these were all taken from the site):

Commando
One of the most blatant mistakes ever committed to film. The yellow Porsche is totally wrecked on the left side, until Arnie drives it away, and it's fine.

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
When Harry, Ron and Hermione rush to Hagrid after end-of-the-year exams, and Harry is saying something that ends with "why didn't I see it before", Hermione is mouthing his lines.

The Matrix
In the scene where Agent Smith is interrogating Neo, after Smith has sealed Neo's mouth shut and he is backed into the corner, when the camera cuts back to Smith you can clearly see a reflection in his glasses of Neo still sitting down in the chair.

Austin Powers in Goldmember
Austin Powers left school in 1959. He would have been 18 then. This means that the family holiday in Belgium, when he was a baby, would have been in 1941. Continental Europe would have been an odd choice for a family holiday that year, what with World War II going on and everything. Note: Lots of people seem to think that in England school leaving age is 16. It can be, but most stay on until 18, especially at a smart private school like Austin's.

X-Men 2
In the end, when the President is visited by the X-Men, he receives a blue binder, which is laid in front of him on the table. When they have left, you see a shot including the President's desk, and you can see that the only thing he has on the table are some sheets of paper, stapled in the upper left corner, opened up. Then the shot changes to a close-up of the President, and then back again, and you see the blue binder in front of him, closed, and the papers have disappeared.

Attack of the Clones
When Amidala & Anakin are eating and he cuts her a piece of the fruit and "floats" it back to her, the bite appears in the fruit a split second before she actually eats it.

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
The T-1000 punches his body through the window of a helicopter to get inside. An instant later, the hole in the windshield is gone.

-Chanchai

 

Nope it wasn't me who corrected that, though I probably should have done. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you like fuckups theres a few more in The Matrix:

In the beginning chase one of the cops bumps into a brick wall with his leg and it wobbles - as it's a set.

Near the end when Neo flips out of the way of the oncoming train you can actually see the wires he's using to hold onto.

As Neo goes to grab the handle to the door of The Oracles apartment you can see the reflection of a disguised camera in the background.

In Matrix Reloaded:

In the freeway scene the clip of Morpheus's sexay gloc-17 keeps changing from a short one to a long one (it changes repeatedly during the whole sequence yet he's only seen to load at at the very beginning.)

Later when hes on the truck, the place he stook his katana originally has been changed. First it's really far down, then it's within reach for him to grab.

Random note, that in the scene where the Merovingian gives the woman "orgasm cake" in Le Vrai resturant SEX is written in the matrix code between her legs.

 

Well, there are glairing fuck ups in Matrix II and III - namely the movies themselves.