Starting out with Lei-Fei

Discussion in 'Lei' started by Modelah, Oct 31, 2013.

By Modelah on Oct 31, 2013 at 1:05 AM
  1. Modelah

    Modelah Well-Known Member VFDC Translator Content Manager Taka

    Note: The first part is a translation of Kame's VF5FS Beginner's Blog Post by Modelah. The 'Attacks from Stance' section was written by @VFnumbers, with 'moves that will keep you in stance' added by Modelah.

    Author: Kame
    Years playing Lei-Fei: 11 (note: as of June 2012)
    Years as a fighting game cameraman: 2

    Lei's Characteristics, Strengths and Weaknesses
    "Use your unique stances to bring opponents to their knees!"
    Lei has 7 unique stances at his disposal, far more than any other character. With a wide range of attacks from these stances the Lei player can create a variety of offensive and defensive patterns to suit his or her playstyle. A lot of options not open to you from normal stance become available; powerful attacks, attacks to apply continuous pressure and attacks that suit both offensive and defensive playstyles become possible when in stance.

    "You'll love Lei's fast-paced game and damaging strikes!"

    Lei has attacks for all ranges and there are lots of ways to fight as him but the real thrill is up close, quickly shifting through stances fluidly. Once you understand how he works, you'll be able to utilize his strong attacking power with strikes that do great damage and flurries that overwhelm opponents. Also, making stances a part of your game can help lessen the risk when at disadvantage.

    "Expect heavy damage if your attacks are evaded... You will struggle against defensive opponents..."

    As I mentioned above, Lei's stances make him unique but in many cases the moves that transition into those stances can be evaded leading to guaranteed damage from a powerful move. The majority of his strongest attacks are mid and high, and on top of that, his best throws end with [6] meaning that you will have a hard time getting damage on defensive opponents and players who are adept at the 'Lazy Throw Escape' technique.

    Basic Skills
    [P][6][P][P]: Lei's fastest attack starts with a high punch, then 2 mid punches. Stopping at the second [P] will put you into Dokuritsu-shiki stance, and finishing the string will put you into Hai-shiki stance. Even if the third [P] is guarded the opponent can't do much against a follow-up Hai-shiki [P], enabling you to keep the pressure on.

    [6][6][P]: Lei's fastest mid. Even if you're at at slight disadvantages the chances of your opponent beating this out are small.

    [2_][6][P]: A mid that can net you big damage on counterhit. Fast and with good reach, this is a move you'll want to use often. On counterhit, go for a combo like the ones below.
    [2_][6][P](CH), [3][P]:[P][+][K][+][G](to Kyo-shiki), (Kyo-shiki)[K][K]
    [2_][6][P](CH), [6][P][+][K][P][P] -for Taka.
    [4][P][P]: Slow but safe on guard, also leads to combos on normal hit. An excellent move. If the second [P] counterhits it will cause a crumple like [2_][6][P], affording you a combo opportunity.

    [9][K][+][G]: A fast mid giving combo opportunities on normal hit. Unsafe on guard as opponents can attempt to throw you.
    [9][K][+][G], [P], [3][P]:[P][+][K][+][G](to Kyo-shiki), (Kyo-shiki)[K][K]
    [9][K][+][G], [2][P], [K][+][G][P] -for Taka.
    [1][P][+][K]: Slow to execute mid launcher but leads to Lei's most damaging combos. If guarded attacks 15 frames or faster are guaranteed to hit you.
    [1][P][+][K], [6][P][+][K]:[P][+][K][+][G](to Kyo-shiki), (Kyo-shiki)[K][K]
    [1][P][+][K], [4][P][+][K], [K][+][G][P] -for Taka.
    [6][P][P]: A half-circular mid covering Lei's back. Fast, so be sure to use it often. [6][P]:[P][+][K][+][G] will put you into Kyo-shiki after the first hit. An important note, if you enter Kyo-shiki as soon as possible Lei will be at advantage even if the [6][P] is guarded so you should use that to keep the pressure on your opponent.

    [6][K]: A full-circular high that transitions into Koko-shiki on hit or guard. If [6][K] counterhits (Koko-shiki)[K] is guaranteed to hit too so be sure to use this follow-up. If it's guarded and you can read your opponent well go for (Koko-shiki)[P], the sabaki move.

    [2_][6][P][+][G]: A throw that you can combo off.
    [2_][6][P][+][G], [P][6][P][P]
    [4][1][2][3][6][P][+][G] > [4][6][P][+][G] > [2][3][6][P][+][G]: A throw combo. The trick to hitting this is to enter the first 2 parts and then the third as the first and second moves are animating.

    [6][4][P][+][G]: As most of Lei's good throws are unfathomably mapped to [6], this throw becomes important.

    Basic Strategy
    When at Small Advantages:

    (1) [P][6][P][P]
    (2) [6][P]:[P][+][K][+][G]
    (3) [6][K]
    (4) Delayed throw

    Use (1) and (2) when you don't want to opponent to be able to do anything. Even when guarded you can continue to attack so use them to apply more pressure. Use (3) against evaders and abare tactics. If this is guarded you can still opt to continue the offense. Use (4) against standing guard or when opponents evade.

    When at Large Advantages:
    (1) [4][P][P]
    (2) [2_][6][P]
    (3) [9][K][+][G]
    (4) Throw
    (5) [6][K]

    (1) and (2) can lead to big damage off abare-happy opponents. The second hit of [4][P][P] is delayable and if it counterhits you can for a high-damage combo. It doesn't track, however. (1) and (2) are also safe on block so make good use of them. (3) works wonders against abare and crouchers but if blocked moves up to throws become guaranteed. The risk-return factor isn't bad so it's still a useful tool in your arsenal. (4) and (5) should mainly be used against opponents that like to evade, and (5) is particularly handy against abare.

    Lei's Stance and Transition Flowchart
    Note: This chart is based on the one in Kame's original post with attacks into stance added by Modelah.


    From from the author:



    Attacks from Stance- by VFnumbers (moves that will keep you in stance by Modelah)
    A list of the best attacks from each stance, including moves that will keep you in stance (*).

    1. [P][P][+][K]- +9 on guard, +21 on CH, +24 on Side CH.
    2. [K]- Good launcher at slight mid and short range, beats rising attacks.
    3. [P][P]- Safe on guard, good to use after...
    4. [P][+][K]- Good mid/long range attack, chargeable.
    *5. [P]- A 10f high punch.

    1. [P][+][K]:[P][+][G]- A hit throw (safe on guard at -4).
    2. [2][K]- A low staggering kick (depending on opponent's stagger recovery, if slow use Hai[K], if fast use Hai[P][P] to connect).
    3. [K][+][G]- Safe on guard at -5, crushes rising attacks.
    4. [P]- Effective at mid range, safe on guard, gives a side crumple.
    5. [2]/[8][K][+][G]- Although it's unsafe on guard at -18, it has very strong evasive properties that can beat linear attacks.
    6. [K][P]- A very strong attack that tracks, also safe on guard.

    1. Various stance transitions.
    2. [K][+][G]- A full-circular attack that puts the opponent into ST on hit.
    3. [P]- Fastest attack option out of this stance at 13f.
    4. [6][P]- Useful for combos, safe on guard.
    5. [P][+][K]- Guard break +12, options for [P][P], [P][2][P] or a throw from normal stance.

    1. [P][+][K]- Sabakis mids and high attacks.
    2. [P][+][K][P]- Safe on guard.
    3. [K][+][G]- Special high full-circular, safe, pushes back, and enters Koko. +20 on CH allowing Koko[2][K][P] to connect for a combo. +24 on side CH so Koko[2][K][P][P] string will connect.
    4. [P][K]- 1st part sabakis and [K] is a half-cirular that is safe on guard, +15 on CH.
    5. [2][2]- To enter Suirakan stance.

    1. [P]- Excellent mid to long range attack, safe and strong near walls.
    2. [K]- A low kick stagger.
    3. [K][+][G]- hHigh full-circular kick, 0 on guard.
    4. [P][+][K]- Unsafe, but can crush rising attacks, if timed right avoids low attacks. A combo starter.
    5. [G]- Exits stance.

    1. [P]- Safe, sabakis a lot of mids, highs and knees.
    2. [K]- Sabakis low attacks except for low rising kicks. The fastest option from stance at 14f. Goes to Nehan, unsafe on guard.
    3. [2]/[8][P][+][K][+][G]- Transitions from Koko to Hai while evading linear non-sabakiable attacks if timed properly.
    4. [G]- Exists stance and puts you backturned.
    5. [2][K][P][P]- String. Effective after Nehan[K][+][G] CH or if opponent staggers near a wall after using [6][K] from normal stance.

    1. [P][+][K]- A special high combo starter, safe on guard.
    2. [3][K]- Staggers, +5.
    3. [P][P]- second [P] crumples on CH, safe on guard and delayable string.
    4. [6][P]- Excellent at long to mid range, vital point collapse on NH and CH.
    5. [K][+][G]- Excellent when parallel with opponent near a wall, safe on guard at -4 with pushback.

    Zenten roll
    [P][+][G]- Catch throw.
    [K]- Combo starter.

    It's best to transition stances when:
    1) you have a small advantage.
    2) you can predict when your opponent will try to evade a string and transition at the same time. For example [P][6][P][P], switch up to [P][6][P][4][P][+][K][+][G] to go from Doku to Kyo stance. (entering Kyo will grant Lei a small advantage on guard). Kyo to Nehan and Kyo to Doku are fast transitions.
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2014


Discussion in 'Lei' started by Modelah, Oct 31, 2013.

    1. Tricky
    2. IvorB
      Ha ha!!
    3. VFnumbers
      I think the move Kame was referring to is 4pp instead of 6pp. 2nd part of 6pp doesn't stomach crumple. Really good insight from Kame regarding Leifei.
    4. Modelah
      You're right, thanks.
    5. Chibitox
      Nice chart ! ^^
      I don't see 6P P+K+G that goes from normal stance to Kyo Shiki, I am missing it somewhere ?
    6. Modelah
      Yep it's there, pink box, bottom-left corner. I know the chart will take a bit of getting used to, lol.
    7. Manjimaru
      That chart is awesome. That is all
      phanatik likes this.
    8. JDS-Cigano75019
    9. phanatik
      Good job guys. We need to do a video tutorial.
    10. masterpo
      I apologize in advance for my goofy question (please accept apology)

      But can anyone post the pronunciations of the stances (either in written form or audio?)

      e.g dokuritsu It looks like its pronounced Doe - Koo - Reet - Sue

      I would like to be able to say the stances when I'm talking to folks about Lei Fei, But I don't want to butcher their pronunciations LOL
    11. Modelah
      Audio would be best but here we go:

      Hai: Hai ('a' as in father, 'i' as in we)
      Dokuritsu: Doh-kuh-ree-tsu (roll the 'r' sound, it's close to 'd', cats + shoe)
      Kyo: Kyoh ('oh' as in oar)
      Nehan: Ne-han ('ne' as in net, 'a' as in father)
      Suirakan: Sue-i-ra-kahn (Shorten 'Sue' and blend with 'i', 'i' as in we, roll the 'r' sound)
      Koko: Ko-ko ('o' as in octopus)
      Bokutai: Boh-kuh-tie (as in necktie)

      Shiki: She-ki ('i' as in we)
      MarlyJay, masterpo and Ellis like this.
    12. masterpo


    13. masterpo
      Did the game designers copy the names of these stances from other FGs? Were they just
      from the designers imagination, looking some of them up on Internet I came back with some strange translations LOL

      Hai ~ affirmed, affirmative, yes?
      Dokuritsu ~ Independence, self reliance?
      Kyo ~ approval, confirmation, capital ?
      Nehan ~ Nirvana?
      Bokutai ~ Bokura no Taiyou (Our Sun) ?
      Koko ~ one at a time, individually ?
    14. Kanoppio
      Hai Shiki - 敗式 - Counterattack style

      Bokutai - 仆腿 - Leg lying on the ground

      Dokuritsu Shiki - 独立式 - Standing on one leg style

      Kyo Shiki - 虚式 - Vacuum style

      Koko Shiki - 跨虎式 - Back of the tiger

      Zenten - 前転 - Forward somersault

      Nehan Shiki - 涅槃式 - Nirvana style

      Suirakan Shiki - 睡羅漢式 - Sleeping Lohan's style (Lohan/Luohan is in chinese Arhat, that is the name that shows the original followers of the Buddha, who have attained the Nirvana)

      Thanks to Ylyon for the translation :p
      VFnumbers likes this.
    15. masterpo
      Excellent, thanx,

      So shiki roughly translates into "style"?
    16. Modelah
      I tried to be a little more creative with the translations. Here's what I came up with:

      敗式 - Hai-shiki - the Stance of Defiance
      敗 (to lose; fail, to be beaten; defeated) 式 (style, stance)

      独立式 - Dokuritsu-shiki - the Stance of Independence
      独 (alone, single) 立 (stand) 式 (style, stance)

      虚式 - Kyo-shiki - the Stance of Emptiness
      虚 (empty, vacant, hollow) 式 (style, stance)

      涅槃式 - Nehan-shiki - the Stance of Enlightenment
      涅槃 (Nirvana, supreme enlightenment) 式 (style, stance)

      跨虎式 - Koko-shiki - the Stance Astride the Tiger
      跨 (stride over, straddle) 虎 (tiger) 式 (style, stance)

      睡羅漢式 - Suirakan-shiki - the Stance of the Sleeping Man
      睡 (to sleep; fall asleep) 羅 (thin silk, a net) 漢(a man; person) 式 (style, stance)

      朴腿 - Bokutai - the Stance of the Naked Leg
      朴 (natural, simple) 腿 (thigh)

      前転 - Zenten - (forward roll)
      前 (front, forward) 転 (tumble, roll, shift)

      Thanks to my Japanese dictionary and geeky imagination!
      Riskbreak, Ellis, phanatik and 2 others like this.
    17. masterpo
      Totally kewl! They really seem to fit LOL. Maybe AM2 will pick these up and put them in the official VF cannon.;)
    18. phanatik
      And Lohan is [one of] the original/traditional Shaolin styles upon which the other styles are founded. If you look carefully, you can see Lohan in all of the other styles -- Lau's dragon/tiger; Pai's (I don't know what her's is...crane?); Lion's mantis; Shun's drunken. However, the creators did an excellent job portraying Lei's inner power, which is correctly shown in his Jing and Fah jing technique. The other characters show these techniques, but I personally like how Lei's is displayed with more power (e.g. his hand sebakis, guard break from Kyo, etc.).
      Myke and masterpo like this.
    19. masterpo
      Speaking of creators, does anybody know if any of the ppl on AM2 team that develop(ed) VF really practiced any martial arts (or kung fu in particular?), if so who?

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