Super noob help!

I use Eileen's OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif if my opponent has the habit of continuing their standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif strings even if I evade the first attack. It is a GREAT punishment tool if your opponent does not hit check on strings.

For instance, let's say you're playing a Lau -- he initiates his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif string. If you evade the first /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and you know your opponent will try to continue the string, take to the opponent's side/back immediately with an OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. During crumple you're free to bounce and combo:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

I'm sure some people use this already, I just wanted to set it out for others to see as there isn't a great deal of OM discussion on the forums.

 

Wow, nice, Sweep!

Annoyingly, I'm playing against a Goh at the moment, and he doesn't have too many strings like that.


I'm still looking for some input on why my OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is being interrupted when I'm on the advantage; it just doesn't seem to make sense to me...

 

Thanks for the heads up on how Shiz plays.

lol

 

this forum molded into "how do use OM effectively" which I'm happy about! From what i'm reading it seems to be a punishment tool. I always assumed that if i dodge the first hit then try to OM after the evade I would get hit. I've also herd that OM to someone's back when they do a rising attack can avoid the FC kick though I haven't been consistent on this anyone know specifics? Eagle_12 was the one who taught me about this tactic.

 

Wouldnt it be safer to do just sidekick from the side? Ok its not as much damage and 2 frames slower but you get the same side/back crumple and sidekick is lot safer on block. There is some difference between -13 and -6 heh.

 

With what move? I suspect you arent quite tight enough with the timing of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. I have noticed that it isnt automatically easy thing to do, especially with just a little advantage.

 

If i understand correctly what you are talking about, this isn't a something associated with OM but with evade in general: some moves are slow enough (& have a large window of active frames) that they hit you after you have successfully evaded eg. vane's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

Now, since this is an eileen thread, which i am not familiar with, but after a quick glance at the frames i suppose /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif must have the same effect.

PS: after looking at her frames and movelist for the first time i just realised Eileen's While Standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is a really, really weird move - 15 frame exe kick with 9 active frames? -23 on block? throw punisheable on hit?! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif (how) do eileen players use that move?

 

Yes it would definitely be the safer move; however, no reason to avoid the bigger damage payoff if you know the opponent will continue their 3-4 hit string without confirming.

If you're wrong...you're going to get /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif punished. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

I'm sorry for not being clear; I'll reiterate my problem.

I do a move that gives me +1 on guard. It gets guarded. I then do OM+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, and my opponent uses /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. I get hit with the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

I don't think my timing is off (it's never ever worked for me, so if it was a timing issue, you'd think I'd 'get lucky' once or twice) and I don't think my opponent is delaying their /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.


The move I am trying it after is /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif from Zenkuuhon, and the move my opponent does is almost exclusively /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

Thanks for the help, people.

 

I tested that in training mode on my PS3. Set CPU to block and counter with low punch. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(blocked) -> OM P or OM K works, the low punch gets interrupted. But like I said its not easy. The problem is that if the game decides you are trying to do defensive move ie. normal evade, it will get interrupted by the low punch I think. So you really have to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif - neutral+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif Really fast to make sure you really get the OM, especially as theres only one frame advantage.

 

-12 is throwcounterable, I might hazard a try for 70 pt combo with my Akira myself /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Erdraug: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PS: after looking at her frames and movelist for the first time i just realised Eileen's While Standing is a really, really weird move - 15 frame exe kick with 9 active frames? -23 on block? throw punisheable on hit?! (how) do eileen players use that move? </div></div>
Thats the cartwheel kick away from the opponent. It pushes opponent away and Eileen in the other direction so that I doubt its actually counterable on hit at least. Well not sure, I might ask my friend to help test and see if Akira can buffer a doublepalm for it..
I dont try to use it unless I suspect Ill get a crouching hit and the stagger.

 

See Pai's cartwheel kick. Eileen's is only slightly less god-tier. It's a great move to use to counter an opponent's normals. It beats almost everything I've seen.

 

Ah, I see. Thanks; that makes more sense now, and it seems like I'm obviously taking more than the one frame to input the OM command, and so, by the time I am performing OM, I don't actually have the advantage.

Again, thanks.

 

After a bit of practice mode, I've found that the OM is more successful if you actually evade to their front. I think this is because, when a character performs a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, they use their front arm, which you are evading towards if you evade to the opponents back.

(I hope that makes sense).

Basically, if you OM to the back against a DP, you're evading towards the punch, so you're not as 'out of the way' as if you OM to the front.

Not sure if this is of any help, but I figured it can't harm to put it up here.

 

yeah that makes perfect sense I'll try that more often myself