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Great thread, Holla

Naturally the AI has conditioned me not to use most of those Akira moves as openers. Although the one I do use from time to time against the later Wolf AIs or against a real opponent is + body check at -24 frames on guard. Strangely it hasn’t always been vulnerable to or in game (as the frames guide implies) and so I went to check this in the dojo after reading your thread. Wolf was set to guard then counter hit 1 (), and then counter hit 2 () for my tests.

It seems that if Akira’s body check move is launched from a far enough distance away from Wolf, and the pair (Akira and Wolf) are in opposite stance (one closed, one open), then the fast follow up of standing doesn’t hit Akira on VF5b in the dojo, missing his head and arm.
The distance of the two characters after resetting the dojo with the SELECT button, definitely works to leave Akira safe.
On Guard counter hit 2, Akira also remained safe from the move on any stance, but the distance of Wolf being pushed back by Akira in both scenarios was important. As expected it certainly didn’t hold true when the move was guarded near a fence, where Wolf couldn’t move back fully.

Unfortunately because of the limited dojo options I’m unable to check the other bigger reaching moves by Wolf (that execute in under 24 frames) that you listed, am I right in thinking the distance Akira pushed Wolf wouldn’t have saved him from these?

 

yes, distance is definitely a factor. but a good wolf player would never think about doing after blocking akira's body check when short shoulder is guaranteed and would not miss!

p.s. when referring to stance, both players are either in open or close stance. u can't have 2 different stances at once.

for example: / / = closed stance, / \ = open stance

ya dig?

 

Thanks for the info. It's all helping improve my game.

 

Flash!!! This is the man who's put me back into Wolf state! Hopefully I can represent Team Rape with some decent Toe-kick stunning!

 

Holla! from another white boy.
Good, concise write up Flash.
It points new players in the right direction to improve.

I don't think I'd survive without Sarah's 10 frame punch the way I currently play...

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This is real VF love right here. Sharing hard-earned VF knowledge to help others step their game up. JOLLA!

 

Thanks Chief, Holla Holla Holla Holla Holla Holla @ cha Boy!

 

Ah, Wolf. Do you remember when in VF4 Evo when into wall was like a minor wall stagger, and was guaranteed for 74 dmg, or you can do a combo if he didn't guard. Do you remember the combo of doom, CH max > > 270? 160 damage that was . And the ultimate: CH slow stagger > wall hit > > 270 for 175 dmg . Or you could just > low throw after a stagger .

 

Erm, in 5, + into wall at the right distance is still like that and TKS is guaranteed after for 102 points of damage.

Full charge + wasn't just limited to CH either. It worked on normal hit too. Also, on stagger to low throw still works in 5, but it's not that good an idea as it's just asking to be escaped.

While lost the special stagger property in 5, in R his new has gained it, so Wolf can combo into throws again.

Edit:

 

ok lemme at this thread...

+ from the right distance also grants + guaranteed.

hahahaha ASH are you implying that no one knew how to escape low throws before VF5?!?

/end

 

This is not a frame question, actually the Yoho should hit. But Yoho just whiff(s?) a lot, especially after evade. It's like your arm just go through the opponent's body without hitting it.