Tekken 5 confirmed !

Well it's about time !
 
''Newly announced fighting sequel and mystery game will join Taiko Drum Master, Xenosaga Episode II, and more in Los Angeles next week.

Just days after rumors surrounding another possible Tekken sequel were debunked, Namco Hometek has announced that Tekken 5 is indeed in development for the PlayStation 2 and will be on display at this year's E3. No details about the game were given other than that it would "debut" at the annual industry expo/game conference/weeklong sensory assault.'' Gamespot

 

Tekken 5 might actually not suck (shock, gasp!)

From CVG:
"Namco has revealed its preliminary line-up of software for next week's Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, finally confirming the presence of massively anticipated fighting sequel Tekken 5.
Regular readers will recall we first revealed Namco's plans to unveil Tekken 5 at E3 early last month (see here); at the time a spokesperson for Namco's US office was quoted on a US site as stating the report was simply not true, but today's announcement sets our story in stone.

No further details were officially disclosed, but we can reveal that fans of the cult series are in for a surprise as development has shifted the focus of the acclaimed series.

A source operating close to Namco spoke of a 'new direction' for the game, pursued as a direct result of staunch rival Sega's protracted and continued dominance of the genre with Virtua Fighter 4, which has been the highest grossing coin-op in Japanese arcades for two years running.

"The development team has taken a long, hard look at the success of Virtua Fighter 4 and is attempting to change [Tekken 5's] gameplay accordingly, in order to compete more effectively," our source told us. We won't know exactly what this means in real terms until at least the show itself, although Namco may yet hold full details back until Tokyo Game Show later this year."

 

Re: Tekken 5 might actually not suck (shock, gasp!)

Translation:
"We know Tekken 4 was contrived bullshit, and was only the skin of a good fighter, minus the meat. Hell, Mortal KombatA sold better than our game, and was probably just as deep. We got away with that shite-gameplay crap with SC2 because it's a weapon based fighter and, of course, we only got away with that abroad. LOL, the Americans are still calling SC the best. figher. evar. Are they kidding?

Anyway, heaven knows that Japanese arcaders won't put up with that garbage with an alternative available in the form of probably the greatest fighting game ever made. So this time around, we might try to put an actual fighting game in there somewhere (and probably some ripoff single-player mode), except we've pretty much forgotten how to do that, so good luck to all of us. We'll be damned if we let VF out-Tekken Tekken (*cough* Brad and Gou *cough*). Fu[k dem assholes. But we wanna give big up to AM2 for not making a weapon-based fighter in years, cuz then we'd really be up shit creek.

Love,
Namco"

 

I for one will welcome Tekken 5 with open arms and can't understand why ppl have to go "hahaha tekken sucks look now they'll try to copy US haha told ya!".
I love the news actually. The problem is that it's almost to late... vf is a system that's been added and built upon time after time... tekken just did it again; a big leap / change (remember tekken4?) instead of building and fixing upon a base. But it's better late then never I guess and they had to do it sooner or later (what would bring ppl back, adding another character and heihachi being what; 200 years old?).
Another problem will be that Tekken has a huge global fanbase that plays it just cause of the fact that it's not like VF so I wish them luck and wonder how they will take the change of direction.

/KiwE

 

can't we translate this to "namco has sega penis envy?"

 

This seems to be a bad step to me... if Tekken starts to be more like VF, the people who like it for being Tekken will stop liking it - and those who like teh VF part of it might as well play VF instead.

 

I really wish namco would go back to its roots. I mean they managed to ruin 2 game engines already (TTT and SC1) so why not go back and update those instead of trying to copy somthing that youll never do as good as sega

 

It just means they r going to take tekken flash and add vf item system only not as good prolly. I don't care if u take good idea and try and make better, but I'm just sick of Tekken as a whole. It's like VF, only not as good AT ALL. It should be the gaming struggling for ppl to find to play it, not the other way around. Oh well, w/e, it better not suck if I'm even goin to ATTEMPT this shit. But if I don't like after one try, guess whose gonna be contented with VF5? /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Hi kids. Let's put on the thinkingcap and grab a beer.

Btw the more I think of it; I have a problem with the whole thing.

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A source operating close to Namco spoke of a 'new direction' for the game, pursued as a direct result of staunch rival Sega's protracted and continued dominance of the genre with Virtua Fighter 4, which has been the highest grossing coin-op in Japanese arcades for two years running.

"The development team has taken a long, hard look at the success of Virtua Fighter 4 and is attempting to change [Tekken 5's] gameplay accordingly, in order to compete more effectively," our source told us. We won't know exactly what this means in real terms until at least the show itself, although Namco may yet hold full details back until Tokyo Game Show later this year."

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First of all; I believe I've read about this "change in direction" for Tekken to be "more like vf" somewhere else prior to this shocking revealment. It did, however, get shot down and silenced when Namco said Tekken 5 wasn't to be on E3. That source operating close to Namco must like talking and running around giving exclusives to multiple game companys.

Note... it's not Namco per se but just source operating close to Namco. So it's his opinion. I could have gone into Segas office and see a few changes for Evo like Brad and Goh (read Jin) and - voila I'd go like "Gee, Goh looks like Jin so I think they're making it more like Tekken they must have looked at tekken alot!". What would more like Tekken though really mean and wouldn't I need to play it extensivly (or be a part of the design team or hell even Namco themselfs?) to actually be able to make that comment with some sort of validity?

Why aren't Namco themselfs on record for saying this (is VF's dominance in arcade over Tekken in japan really a new shocking phenomen that swings the entire company btw?). Why does this mystic source not tell his name (oh he must be so protected cause he's, like, working close to namco and could be fired... hmmmm no he couldn't but they could get mad at him!). Mystic like the lochness monster that sod is.

Question: What would it exactly mean for a fightinggame to be "more like VF?" if you put it into words? Take away bs moves? That's not more like VF, it's just making the game more balanced. In fact: doesn't Tekken sell more around the world outside of Japan then VF btw? Why would they even change "gameplay" when the success of VF4 in Japan can be acredited secondary factors like VF.net and demographic issues (if you want to compete - start bye adding Tekken.net)? VF.net is prob a huge factor behind VF's success but it's certainly not gameplay related.


Even so; when have the two gameseries not looked at eachother / stolen ideas (wolf = king, aki = paul etc etc) up to this points so why would this be shocking news at all? They've done it from day one

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What details were <font color="white"> officially disclosed </font> in the article then? I must have missed that part. The whole thing just sounds like a rumour floating that's gathering a following imo to be honest.

/KiwE (Cause Namco didn't care about VF when making gameplay for SC2 now did they).

 

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I for one will welcome Tekken 5 with open arms and can't understand why ppl have to go "hahaha tekken sucks look now they'll try to copy US haha told ya!".

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Nerds will be nerds I guess. I never really understood why ppl get so caught up with these childish game, console... wars in the first place. It's the same at TZ but atleast there, VF seems to get a little more respect. Some may not like it but give it props for being solid regardless.

SiYkO
''This seems to be a bad step to me... if Tekken starts to be more like VF, the people who like it for being Tekken will stop liking it - and those who like teh VF part of it might as well play VF instead. ''

I agree but it's so vague right now, who knows what they could be talking about !? Block button, ROs, better AI.... But you're right, it's ok if they get a couple of ideas here and there but keep the basics intact.

 

I agree.

Namco needs to develop a case of short-term memory loss. They need to forget that T4 ever existed and go back to what made them great.....TTT.

I think they should just build on what they started with Tekken Tag. That's a great game. Forget about all this other bullshit. Companies get ideas from each other all the time.

VF/Tekken/SC/Mortal Kombat etc. probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the original Street Fighter 2 (which wouldn't have existed if there was no "Karate Champ") and so on.

 

Id agree with that. I go to TTT for a different experience and it is a deep and technical game. The only bad things are some balance issues like the risk/reward of a WGF/EWGF Bruce etc.

I think the original report stated that Namco were trying to get a better standing in Japanese arcades which I don't think they did with TTT. I believe it may have done better than VF in Korea though.

 

TTT actually crushes VF in korea.

 

This isn't a reply to anyone in particular.

During the time period when Kyasao stayed here he logged on his msn account on my computer. We were just randomly surfing and he was showing us clips of him bowling and his website and such. One of his good friends came online. I believe his vf nickname was M (something) Kage. He works for AM2 and Kyasao asked me to speak to him. So I started typing. Told him he was in America hanging out with some new friends ect. The first question that came out as he replied to me was, "I want to know exactly why the U.S. players think Tekken 4 was a failure". I was floored. Here is a guy who works for sega asking me this. Anyways, I told him some things that I thought and than while I was typing, I yelled at the others who were in my living room what they wanted me to put. So I typed it all out and he said thanks. He will deliver that message to other people. Anyways, long story short, I am sure Namco people might do that on occasion and ask people what they think of vf or any other fighting games for their own input.

Sorry if that made no sense to this topic/discussion. hahah

PS: The guy is in the evo game. It starts with a M. Than it's something kage. Don't remember actually what the name is.

 

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VF/Tekken/SC/Mortal Kombat etc. probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the original Street Fighter 2 (which wouldn't have existed if there was no "Karate Champ") and so on.



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That was so beautiful.

<font color="blue"> Smurf Cries </font>

 

actually, as much as i appreciate what you said about SF2 being the daddy of 'em all, i have to point out two quick things that you're just a tad bit off about:
1) don't forget Street Fighter. if there was no Street Fighter there could be no SF2.
2) Street Fighter would've probably existed anyway, even had there been no Karate Champ: Behold

 

1. I brought up SF2 is because before it, the fighting game genre basically didn't exist in the U.S.

2. My point is that Karate champ came first, and all companies are influenced by previous innovators/current competition.

 

/versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif didn't mean to offend or anything, since what you said about Karate Champ begat SF begat Everything else is how i've always felt. i just thought it'd be nice, f.y.i. to point out the core origin of SF.

 

I'm not offended.

Anyway, I'd like to see a true sequel to TTT.

 

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Ping Pong! It's all about blocking and out manevouvering the opponent to score hits. Somewhere along the line some opponents can freeze or just not react fast enough and will loose. Hai-ya!

/KiwE (STOP THIS SILLYNESS!).