Tekken Players Shifts to VF?

I've seen a lot of tekken players posts here since VF4 got released? why is that, tired of TTT and T4 guys? what did the VF4 experience have that was not in T4 or gone in T4? im a tekken fan myself and i havnt played VF4 yet (well until tomorrow since im gonna buy myself a copy) and i know its gonna be fun... would Tekken fans rather play VF now rather than T4?

 

Play whatever you think is fun. But many would assume that if you asked that question on a VF board they'd say VF and vice versa.

I can't speak for Tekken boards but I think VF gets more Tekken converts proportionally speaking. Though someone is bound to flame me for this comment.

Most VF that convert to Tekken seem to do so because there's more competition for it (so it seems in Playstation dominated countries).

Both games are good imo, but personally I prefer VF4 for its pace and balance. When I play games I generally go all the way with it. Learning curve(depth), strategy, competition and fun are the most important. Quake, Teamfortress, Soccer, Basketball, Diablo are some games I play that share these traits.

Its not the game but rather the experience that is important. Competition brings out the best in us and makes us try to improve.

Arguing about which game is better is pointless. VF4 is like a sport. What is "football" would be an equivalent question? Some would care other couldn't. Some like to participate at pro, amateur, fun or spectator level. Code loyalty is important but in the end its whatever you enjoy more.

Starting a new sport or game takes a lot of work. Learning rules, tactics, practice and gaining experience. VF is no doubt hard to pickup. Just like everything else in life. Either you like or you don't. Either way VFDC is a pretty good resource to get you started.

Happy gaming!

 

Im a former Tekken player myself, and been coming to Tekken messageboards for a long time, and having a T4 board myself and listing to other ppl.'s opinion about T4, and they including me are not very happy about it, T2,T3 and TTT was good fighting games, but T4 just screwed it all up with the new and a changed fighting engine, Namco should have stayed with the old system as ppl. where more than happy with that, unlike Tekken VF4 is much better than VF3 cause Sega dident do a rushjob like Namco apparently did.

 

Just wondering, what exactly change in T4 as compare say to T3 and TTT ? The last Tekken I played was T2, I didn't touch T3 and TTT.

And what exactly that people don't like about T4 ? Myself still find T4, felt very much like Tekken, coming from VF background, control, is not intuitive as say playing DOA3 or SC. But the lag from input to action on screen, is gone in T4, I thought that was good.

 

I played around with VF3tb for DC (don't expect ANY fun extras or even a decent looking menu), but I'll just copy an older post from Electric Cancel:

"Well... VF4 >>> Tekken 4.

This was known for the longest time, but VF4 has several things going for it:

1) For the first time in history, VF doesn't look like the worst game ever. Just compare the presentation of VF3 to VF4 - stages, graphics, music, life bars... hell, even the menu screens make the JP import worth the $70...

2) Tekken 4 is kinda disappointing (still fun though, and I'm getting it anyway)

3) VF4 is very, very technical. Like SC, but more practical I guess.

The training mode on PS2 is very, very good... it teaches you shit like anticipating a counterattack by sidestepping and counter-counterattacking, buffering multiple throw escapes, recoveries of moves (when & when not to throw), techrolling throws, buffering a throw escape and block while sidestepping... the whole thing's tantamount to Tekken teaching wavedashing and stuff, but it's actually known (and therefore taught) by Sega."

There's just much more potential, and the fact that it actually looks like a fun fighting game (visually that is, as opposed to a fighting simulation), and the fact that it's on PS2 (or rather, not on a Sega console) makes the transition that much smoother. It's definitely worth playing now, more so than before, since other people might actually be attracted to the game for reasons other than playing (and liking) the previous games. The less-than-stellar Tekken 4 clinched it.

 

I think the big factor is the realization that Namco really screwed up T4... not to the point of worthlesness, but damn close. The whole "Just Frame" concept (where pressing a button in 1/60th of a second window of time) is just stupid, not to mention inconsistent. I simply can't fathom why they would give characters rediculously safe and/or powerful moves to those who have good (practiced) timing.

For example... Paul. Paul is a "decent" character without his JF powers, but WITH JF? My god, why play anyone else? Jin? Jin's JF is so easy it shouldn't be called a JF, not mention it's unblockable! And his parry... the dude can parry about 95% of all non-throw attacks. Sick. Don't get me started on Kuma's rediculous 80% 2-hit combo with his "JF" attack. And Steve... lol... how hard is it to learn Steve? The only character who can match Steve (besides Jin) is Marduk with his rediculous reversal-to-mount technique.
/rambling

Sorry about that, but when you are (were) a die-hard Tekken fan and your beloved game turns to shit, you start looking elsewhere. It didn't happen during VF3 and T3 times because T3 (and TTT) were not so rediculously unbalanced (well minus Ogres and Mishimas, LOL). Anyways, VF is simply a more balanced game, which means as someone once said, "The Better Player Wins". Not the better character, which is the case in Tekken.

I'm still gonna get both games for PS2, but my heart won't be in T4 anymore. I'll practice a few combos, but my true interest will be in VF4.

 

T4 had greqat potential, but fizzled in the end.....nothing really different at all than past tekkens, besides ttt. most of the chars are the same exactly from past games with a few added moves. there just wasnt anything deep or new about the game. good game overall, but not vf. i hope all the tekken players at rockies move to vf, but i dont think they will. they all seem to stick to what they knnow (tekken or mvc2) and not try anything new. sad but true...

 

Those Just Frame move you are referring to, is actually pretty easy for me to pull, I was playing Paul and I practically abuse that move, till I feel bad of using it /versus/images/icons/frown.gif I feel cheap.

I am pretty close at giving up T4 right now, I think its a piece of junk, I guess I have to wait till T5. I might play around abit more with Kuma, I just like that Bear for some reasons. It can piss people off.

 

Very True Oni-Kage =)

I am a hardcore Tekken player. Tekken 4 was fun for me...prolly cause i played it for 1 month, and there was plenty of competition where i was at. I myself have never played VF4 but from what ive seen, i am willing to give up Tekken,or maybe play them both? I used to be more into Virtua Fighter, like i prefered VF1 over TK1 and VF2 over TK2,
but VF3 i prefered TK3, and i been playing Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag since... Now that VF4 looks so damn good and interesting i think im willing to go all the way with it!!! Fast paced, good looking game, with alot of things to learn... i love that stuff =)
Cant wait till i can get a game of VF4!!

Right now im just learning moves for Fighters Megamix for the Sega Saurn, so i can know some crap when i play /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

 

Well im a hardcore T4 and TTT player and have been playing the tekkens for many years, i love this game, including T4.. The reason i got VF4 was because its on PS2 and yep i like this game very much, both games are totally different but both games have mad potential... You know people say T4 is broke cos of jin and kuma, well remember when they just said it was jin? now all of a suden its kuma as well, how dont we know that in the future when the game has been played so much that every character is gonna have some kind of bullshit JF move , i mean if everyone has some kind of new JF crap that is good, wouldnt that make tekken a bit more balanced then what it is now? i think so.. the game is still young so i wont abandan it just yet.. However i like my VF4 very much and practise just as much as what i did in tekken, but tekken aint dead for me...

 

You have a point there Tony_T, but personally I believe that the problem is not in the JF department, but in jin's normal 12,21 punch mixup, add to that the cut by half backdash which in my opinion makes evading jin's punches that much harder( for certain characters.. namley kazuya). Also I think that namco overdid it when they made jin's parry this fast. I mean he can evade bryan's rush combo( 3,2,1,4_3,2,1,2) by simply doing the parry 4 times in a row, jin will parry all 4 hits even if the last hit hits low!!
and the Guaranteed 2,4 d+4( a guaranteed u/f 4~3 if the tip of jin's d+4 hits the character) after a parry.. arghh!!!!!


But I might be wrong,and maybe after the game gets realeased on the PS2, things will probably start to clear up, and jin won't be overpowered any more.

 

Last bit of news I read on read up on indicated the home version is gonna stay the same as the arcade.

Shame.

 

What's the word in Japan (and Korea, if anyone knows) regarding T4? Is there still a hardcore following? Is Namco planning on tweaking the game in anyway anytime soon?

 

I heard it's the opposite situation in Japan... I guess they figured out T4 was "crap" a long time ago, because T4 is kinda frowned on over there. Hell I may even think that Tekken overall is looked down on in favor of VF. Then again, VF.NET may have had a big influence on that. /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

Korea is into T4 but not as much as TTT.... a lot of their big name players turned their noses up at T4 and I'm sure they're now laughing at the rest of us who actually thought T4 was worth something in the beginning. (Us stupid Americans, LOL [speaking for myself]).

Anyways, I'm kinda hoping the "direct port" issue isn't true. If they would balance the broken JFs (if thats even possible), make Tekken Force Assault 2 or 4 player, and bring in some new characters, it MIGHT get salvaged.

Doubt it.

 

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I heard it's the opposite situation in Japan... I guess they figured out T4 was "crap" a long time ago, because T4 is kinda frowned on over there.

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That was a long time ago when T4 just came out, about a week later, most hardcore Tekken players in japan and korea gave up on the whole thing, thats why soo many ppl. now are changing to VF4 instead.

 

I dunno abt korea
but in Japan...figures shows VF4 to be number 1...then T4...then CvS2..then even further behind is KoF

In terms of showing how popular the game is...points are assigned to games....the maximum amount a game can score is 200

In the latest issue of Arcadia..VF4 scored 199.

So...I rest my case /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

I know in Taiwan..everyone's playing VF4...KoF has been largely left untouched...

In HK...There's still a large KoF following...but there's also a large number of people playing VF4...case in point, during the initial release...all joysticks in HK were sold out...
in the morning that it was released...the VF4 joystick was priced at 320 HK dollars....but at round 5pm on the very same day...it shot up all the way to 389 HK dollars....

Korea is kinda different, in a sense Lan Gaming is just sooo popular over there. VF is definitely the 'In game' at the arcade now..Strange thing about Korea is..apparently, no one plays CS...how amusing (such a shit game). My friend is a mad Lan gamer..strictly plays only Lan games...joined multiple Lan tournies n stuff...never heard of CS before over there..not available at the Lan shops there hehehehe~

"""What's the word in Japan (and Korea, if anyone knows) regarding T4? Is there still a hardcore following"""

Yes, there is a hardcore group there...but in terms of numbers...it's VERY behind. I mean..VERY.

Incidentally..there are two games that can really challenge VF in terms of hardcore popularity.

One's Gundam: Federation vs Zion DX (VerB)
The other's Sega horse racing game.
In fact, Gundam: Federation vs Zion (VerA) is still damn popular...there's a split in the Gundam fans community..some prefer A, some prefer B...in fact, Ver A still appears in the top ten every month...

 

Er, don't forget the hardcore VO4rce crowd as well. I believe it's now far overtaken TK4 in popularity in Japan. Dunno if you can really consider it a "fighting game" though.

 

Er...
strangely enuff..it's not listed under fighting games.

Instead...VO-Force is listed under 'cockpit category'
it's 7th..behind all the DDR n Beat mania n etc games

Yes..weird..cockpit category...

 

The short answer to your question is that, for a lot of people, Tekken 4 was a big step backwards. Namco made some good changes, but also made some very very bad ones. The most glaring error is that one of the characters now has a 2-hit combo that does at least 80% of your lifebar from a very safe starter.

 

Well, aside from the weird frame advantages (which are reminiscent of a Capcom game, randomly tweaked without changing the animation), the insane jab priority, and the broken JFs (notably Kuma's, the infamous 80% damage 2-hitter, and Jin's, the fast unblockable mid launcher), T4 isn't bad. Although Namco could rescue it for PS2, it's already dying out in my local arcades compared to, well, everything else.