The Truth about VF...

while i agree with you shang that there might be some imba going on, i just don't think the wolf's played innovative enough to deserve to win.

(although i believe the 1st wolf had no reason to lose)

 

wait a min.. I see your point, but why does wolf have to be innovative when kage just does that he does and win. this is where the issue lies, wolf always has to take the extra step, have the better yomi, take the greater risk to get on top. Given they aren't playing at their best (eventhough these players would rape all in the states), they should have got to round 5 or at least have many close round. The imbalance is when both kage and wolf just do whatever and go on auto pilot and kage rapes wolf hardcore. that's the imbalance. Kage player can play the -6 game all day, where wolf needs to risk -10 to -14 to get something done. The reward just isn't balanced when Kage can get a 30-35% combo off a -6 move and wolf gets a 40-45% combo off a -10 to -14 move. don't forget kage has the best throw in THE game. There's a reason why last tourney was full of Kages. If you don't see it, then your blind.
Thank u have a nice day.

 

no doubt, it's one of my hobbies to cuss kage... /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

wolf cant ever play like kage tho because he dont fall under the same class. i'd put kage in the same class as somebody like jacky or akira (surprize surprize) or atleast akira gets a little (just alittle) more risk into his game.

one thing i would say about wolf is that he's not an offensive attacker, he can never beat a kage at poking. he's a defensive attacker and he owns at that (tho not as much as jeffry mind). if you want to come out and guess a -10 it varies with wolf it usually has choice setups. knee blast imho is definatley at it's best use after a high P any hit and that's the only offensive use of it.. other than that, than it's only gonna be a "good guess" so that's out of the question for now.

side kick is a tool not used in close range period... well, actually, sometimes it does work, but that's only because it has such a great hit window and traps the opponent's choice of evade or attack after their dis (about 60% of the time).. but you mainly use this as a defensive attack too. distance trapping and close range trapping, it's basically a "wait and trap" move, even on oki.

screw hook --- yes, this is also no poke, but it is a 14 frame launcher!.. so whenever kage gets cocky with the elbows and kicks, screw hook breaks this with ease. infact, all it ever needs as a simple low P to pair up with to make a scary flow chart.

now -10 is always gonna be a guess.. but wolf doesnt *always* have to guess a dangerous choice after each time it's "his turn".. he can setup too, infact he gets a semi-circular elbow type attack which is also good for advantage.. KS setups on stagger too. he basically owns at waiting, constant reactions with yomi are gonna get wolf player trashed, not his overall game i think.

but i do agree, he's still not the best at his own class, i think jeffry is better at dealing damage faster with wait and delay games.

 

k shang, all i have to say:

the kage was MUCH better than the last two wolf's.

the first match was very even, and could have gone either way, it just happened to go to the kage. that's not imbalance.

not that there isn't any imbalance, but when two relatively equally skilled players play, you can't say that it was the character that won the game. the kage that just happened to win, and that's how it goes.

 

vanity, well you made a semi intelligent in your first post, you have pretty much talked out of your ass on the last one. There is no such thing as "Just happened to win", by multiple excellent. and that's NOT how it goes, please stfu and go play some quest mode noobie. in this game, excellent doesn't just happen, people make it happen. You can get lucky with 1 launcher and take off some life, but you keep on getting owned and call it "it just happened to be that way, that's how it goes"... then you are just denying you suck ok? Secondly, who the fuck is your to say kage is much better than wolf? They all made mistakes. what? you call ppbp after block a move more skill? just stfu already.

bk: i'm not saying wolf can be played like kage, but come'on the game rewards poking much more so than taking big risk (again because the risk isn't worth it), how many times you see wolf just p, d+p all day? and come on.. screwhook is the most overrated move ever... 14 frame launcher.. err only on counter, anyways not going to get in to the circle of how to play wolf.. I've seen enough and played enough to say he is a sucker.

 

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"talked out of your ass[...] stfu and go play some quest mode noobie[...]getting owned[...]you suck ok?[...] I've seen enough and played enough to say he is a sucker."

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WTF does this



mean!?

 

shang, no doubt, your points are very valid.. i hardly dissagree i bet you can gather a community of people who will all come to the conclusion that kage is teef.

i'm only saying, wolf isnt useless against this sort of play. i wouldnt dream of suggesting that high P and low P is primary wolf play, infact i would sit back and laugh at how badly the opp gets hurt.

here's the breakdown.. wolf is primary "wait & trap" and secondarily flow charts. screw hook is overrated to those people who think "hey, i must attack, lets go with a 14 frame mid". when really it's better as a defensive breaker, and secondly a flow chart setup.

i guess what i am trying to say is that anybody who thinks wolf is just risky yomi is too impatient to attack.. therefore thinks his attacking game sucks..

take alook at the damage potential.. if you just guess a backdash SS after you low P, you have already conquered a good amount of options, including a high P series, low p aswell as evade! i've even ducked pai's SK with an ss before!

 

kiwe why do you try to be like shang

except your images are unoriginal and pointless

 

OK, I watched this vid again. I'm sorry, the Wolf players did not play very well at all. The Kage player, Makoto, is actually very good, and made few mistakes.

I didn't see 1 Wolf throw out 4K. This is the best addition to Wolf in FT, because it gives him something safe to throw out at midrange, and he can mix it up with 1K. And none of those players used it once. NOT ONCE! Are they on crack? I would've whored that shit all day.

All of those Wolf players deserved to lose.

 

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the Wolf players did not play very well at all

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dood opening round = instant win

 

I agree with both BK's (but Shang will prob argue that you need offensive striking) and Dandys last posts. Not that one hasn't seen Hajin / whoever go thru an entire team before in a 3on3 match - I didn't know it had some sort of proof value in it. These Wolfs simply didn't have what it took (on that day). First Wolf player does two "hit me with whatever you want" jumps ffs. Second Wolf player does a catch throw at Oki so he must suck right? (j/k). Nah but the second wolf player could have just as easily won for but misses finishing a screwhook combo to trying it the second time on normalhit. If he did, would we not have this post or something similar? After his screwhooks he goes for a risky RAW after a normalhit and then finally eats ++ etc in prob the only good match here. This clip shows about as much of "the truth about vf" as watching paint dry.


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kiwe why do you try to be like shang

except your images are unoriginal and pointless

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Please get over the fact that I didn't accept your "do you want some cock with those smileys" line about 2 months ago. You've been crying ever since, just bidding your time (and it's sooo fucking silly). When you're done with that you can try to jump of Shangs cock (omg at calling Shangs pictures original) while you're at it - he doesn't need a bf to defend himself every, single time. Shit, I made a cock reference - you must be right - I want to be Shang! WHY SEGA WHY?!!~

While I'm at it; Smurf - try doing some posts with value in them instead of just sitting back and applauding or going 'wtf' when stuff you consider fun happens infront of you like a 5 year old.

/KiwE (Omg at all of this drama)

 

certainly a lot more original than just a CHECK MARK
(omg checkmark such genius -agh i talk like kiwe)

didnt some moron say this
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I don't even need a picture (and if I did it would be original) to tell you how owned you just got.

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in this thread

If my sarcastic ass cock statement i made whenever ago still bothers you, you got cock problems, because i forgot whatever the hell that was about.

isnt it funny that anywhere you see a shang post you see a kiwe post soon after - maybe it has to do with . . . . . COCK (for kiwe because i know he wont get it - SARCASM)

If you didnt get it already, is that your self righteous knowledge to VF bugs the crap outta me. You dont play in any known VF circles -human comp, you hide in your Mystic Cabbin in the woods. Wheres the experience!! Youve been around maybe a year and now you're a self proclaimed answerbook to VF?

Kiwe just shutup and play more vf
if Buruka Lion vs Chibita = Pure hotness @00.40.

as compared to the whole chibita vs rarita match because you never seen a stagger setup before - just shut up and play more vf.

i cant take any more of

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A lowlevel technique that everyone should use without ever seeing it used that's not even described but you should use cause you can't think Japanese that's a good option but there are better option and that's why it's not used but you're a n00b if you don't use / ignore it cause you can't think Japanese or use their wakeup games.

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stop playing pencil and paper vf

 

Somebody please







nuke this thread.

 

Well I'm surprised that clip has generated so much..."debate"...but there's no need to draw too many conclusions from a Kage defeating 3 Wolfs in a row. A few points:

1. Ever tossed 5 heads of a coin in a row? The probability is low, but it does happen. Doesn't mean heads are better than tails.

2. The Wolfs are 10-dan, 2nd Green (forgot the rank name), and 9-dan. Makoto is 2nd Gold! He's supposed to beat these guys, and he almost lost to the second Wolf too. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see 8 or Segaru plow through ten 10-dan Kages in a row.

3. I thought Makoto's play was very solid. Great yomi.

4. As for Kage trying to mC...I bet Makoto is just used to A2. Now the imbalance of certain change moves is something we should get worked up about.

 

The first wolf actually have a bronze cup beneath his name, meaning that he actually came in 3rd in the specific arcade tourney. Likewise, the second wolf has a silver cup, coming in 2nd place in the local tourney. They are pretty decent players actually.

 

Kage has a lot more attack options in FT. He was tough to beat in evo and he's even tougher to beat in FT. That's what i think.

 

Does this mean Wolf is strong, or the arcade weak? /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

Coming any place in Japan definately means you are Strong!

 

lol this is funny, bunch of noobies talking about this player isn't good, that player isn't good... Do you realize any of these people in the video could own ur ass? kiwe, stop giving your 'analysis', it's proven you know shit. siyko, ur humor is stupid... why don't you two at least try to play some real comp? When's the last time u two played someone who know how to fuzzy guard or throwescape?
lol kiwe is like my vfdc stalker. what a loser!