Ok my problem right now is getting the timeing for the rising knee to hit. For me it is very hard. Trying to get the 'ten foot toss" and then immediatlly getting that knee to hit my opponent. I am always too late with the kick and I miss and the opponent (my brother) just recovers from the fall and >< wastes me. Right now my main string of attack is the /versus/images/commands/ub.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif+/versus/images/commands/g.gif, /versus/images/commands/d.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif, /versus/images/commands/d.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif+/versus/images/commands/k.gif, /versus/images/commands/k.gif Yes i know compared with other combos it does very little, around 62 but varies with weights, only 50 with the heavy weights. If maybe someone culd suggest a better combo possible without the rising knee for i still need practice with it, i would be very gracious ^_^. Also do many of you use back attacks? I find that some back attacks could be useful, but i usually never do it succesfully, It leaves me very vulnerable. Well thanks in advance oh btw i dont know most of the "terms" you use for kage. So if u dont mind explaining if you use them ^^.