Yeah he was a top Tekken player, but the people that invited him and put the VF4 tourney together said, or rather, insinuated that he was also a top VF4 player and they used that as an incentive to get people to show up for it. But regardless of all that, VF4 was there at one of the biggest tournies from the US, and 13 people showed up. Cali has a ton of hardcore fighting gamers, and you telling me there's less than 10 of those people who are into VF. Apparently, otherwise it would of had a lot better showing, never mind whether people fly in or not. Cali alone should have had a lot more than 10 people interested in the series enough to prove themselves. Now if Cali doesn't have a lot of hardcore VF players, and that's a state full of hardcore gamers, than there's something wrong here with the way Americans take to the VF series. Whatever it is, I don't think it'll ever change. I wish it would because it's my favorite fighting game, but that's wishful thinking. And even the NY gathering had what, like 30 something people (btw, I'm really hoping to make the next one)? Come on, 30 people play Tekken 4 and CvS2 in any given town. The 30 people who went to NY was from all over the US and Canada, so that equals like 2 or 3 hardcore players from each area. That lousy MK game that just came out probably has a bigger following than that. And the sad part is that that's probably the truth. So if you ask me, until the casual gamers from around the US takes to VF enough to want tournaments in their areas regulary, then forget about ever having a huge national one.