Tutorial Video: Escaping Side Throws

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So Sal and me came up with the idea of making a tutorial video about escaping side throws simply because we never really dug deeper into side throws. Even the VFwiki isn’t a too great help here. Not only is it hard to distinguish which side your opponent is on (left or right). But also, the whole rule provided there doesn’t work out on the 2P-side anyway.

So we came up with our own rule:

• When being side-turned to the background, throw-escape with forward.
• When being side-turned to the foreground, throw-escape with backward.
  Note: You can only get one throw-escape successfully registered. You can’t enter both options at the same time.

Thanks go to Sal (aka SuddenDeath) for his assistance with making the video. Only VF music was used throughout the video tutorial. Can you guess which?

 

Thank you, this really makes more sense than the wiki entry!

EDIT: wow myke is fast, i was about to send him a PM asking him if he'd like to edit the wiki entry, guess that's a yes

The old info read:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A special rule applies for escaping Side Throws. Side Throws are escaped with either or , depending on which side your opponent is on. Think of the direction as your left, and the direction as your right, and you escape the Side Throw by entering the left or right hand side and based on where the opponent is.

If you're on 1P side, and the opponent:

* Evaded to the background (your left), then you escape the Side Throw with .
* Evaded to the foreground (your right), then you escape the side throw with .

If you're on 2P side, and the opponent:

* Evaded to the background (your right), then you escape the Side Throw with .
* Evaded to the foreground (your left), then you escape the side throw with .

You cannot enter multiple Side Throw escapes.</div></div>

The new info reads:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A special rule applies for escaping Side Throws. Side Throws are escaped with either or , depending on which side your opponent is on.

• When being side-turned to the background, throw-escape with forward.
• When being side-turned to the foreground, throw-escape with backward.
  
  You cannot enter multiple Side Throw escapes.</div></div>
  
  I fail at throw escapes so i have to confirm, we're still sure about the "no multiple sidethrow escapes" thingy, right?

 

So is it official that its not possible to do multiple sidethrowescapes?

This matter has confused me to no small amount because I cant test it myself.

 

Actually you know what, false alarm, i realized Leonard's & Sal's answer does not cover 100% of sidethrows - it covers sideturned situations, not situations when somebody OM's to his opponent's side.

Maybe i should revert the wiki entry back to it's original form until we can reach a consensus

 

argh

ps. I agree that if the wiki is wrong, then I think the correct course of action would have been to post the vid here and ask for wiki to be fixed. Then publish the video.

pps. Wikipedia with wrong information - shock and horror!

EDIT: I actually watched the video now, theres no proof in there that you CAN'T input multiple sidethrow escapes.. uhh..

EDITx2: The wiki entry IS wrong in that it mentions "left" and "right", which is wrong imo. Heres what I believe:

The sidethrow input to my knowledge depends on the stance of the person being thrown, not the left/right side.

Opponent is on the side of the front foot = "back" side = escape: back+P+G

Opponent is on the side of the rear foot = "front" side = escape: forward+P+G

(in escape inputs back refers to away from opponent, forward refers toward the opponent)

 

We tested that with Jeffry - did't effect our STE rule.

 

I have watched the vid, but to my understanding there is possibly to sets of rules that really isn't hard to figure out.

If your side turned then;

1P side

if your front side is showing then to escape it's
if you back side is showing then to escape it's

Reverse for 2P side

if you are attacking and opponent with say middle kick and they evade up I really don't think it matters what side is facing but to escape is and if they evade down... same rule applies on both 1P and 2P sides.

I could be wrong but that's what I figured out on my own. I only got to test it a few times with someone. I wish I could have dug deeper into it.

Any way I'll check the vid out in a bit! Thanks for sharing!

 

By looking it just seems to me like forward is your right arm, and back is your left arm for the escapes. So you're trying to protect that specific arm from the throw, whenever your right arm was getting grabbed you used 6P+G. Sorry if this got mentioned in previous posts.

I must say though that I thought you could multi escape side throws, no wonder my percentage is so low escaping them.

 

Thanks it was just something I had forgotten.

 

Myke's post is most informative and finally cleared up things for non-native english speakers such as myself. Might i suggest editing the wiki in order to replace "right" with "right hand side" and "left" with "left hand side"? Maybe add in one of his examples too, I believe it would make things more clear.

OFF TOPIC THEORETICAL QUESTION: wouldn't it make more sense for SEGA to just have up and down as sidethrow directions instead of left and right? I mean, goh's tsukami has an up throw direction so that door is opened anyway.

 

The reason I have been confused is this:

Involving escaping Wolf's DM P+K on another thread. I thought that that produced standard sidethrow when hitting from the side. Therefore I assumed that multithrow escape on sidethrows are possible.

EDIT: Nevermind. Mykes explanation is correct. I confirmed it inasmuch as I could playing two sticks by myself. I guess it wouldnt hurt if this was explained more clearly in wiki.

 

Based on Myke's and akai's feedback, i humbly suggest the following rewording for the wiki entry, provided i haven't yet misinterpreted the mechanics involved

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Side Throws are escaped with either or , depending on the relevant position of your opponent to your body:

* Side Throws on the Right Hand Side of your character are escaped with
* Side Throws on the Left Hand Side of your character are escaped with

A special notation rule applies for escaping Side Throws: these directions do not change depending on which side you're on.

This means that, say for example, if Player 1 evades toward the foreground, putting them in Player 2's left hand side, then Player 2 can only escape the side throw with the left joystick input, i.e.

Please note that you cannot enter multiple Side Throw escapes so watch those hands!</div></div>

Also it would also be nice to offer a link to Leonard & Sal's vid stating that "sideturned situations can be simplified to"...

 

I wouldn't add a link until the video is corrected.

 

nonononono, we made the recording/idea-making process WEEKS before that other video, plus we dont speak japanese . anyway, the video's purpose was just as someone already said, a nicer way to see how to escape it, a visual "training" if you will. the wiki being "wrong" is partially due to its hella confusing way that it was written.

side throws escapes have been discussed to death here, so i didnt think we needed to put another side throw escape thread, a visual explanation seem like a better idea.

leo -might- edit his video to include / exclude some minor stuff, version 2.0 i guess (not 100% sure tho..)