User Issues and Moderation in VFDC

THX for akai for taking care about this issue of mine!!!

let me post hire my reactions on you from shoutbox, I am afraid you missed them because of all the work you have with me here:

akai: Ok Unicorn - tell me what is respectful of SDS, Kamais, and Flash for trolling and being very offensive?
Unicorn: akai - I ahave no problem with their bans. They deserve it, I jjust mean they are respected in VF community because they prove at least someting

akai: instead of taking the time to update BT Cup, I am here having to deal with 3 different fronts of people telling me how to moderate
Unicorn: akai: this is why I started open threads for my problems instead of putting it on you yet again... I know you are doing a LOT of things, but you are not the only moderator here. It is shame you need to deal with it once again and I am sorry for giving you mroe work (and I mean it, really). On other hand, I wish to experess my feelings about this certain topic

 

There is no need to defend yourself, akai. Maybe it is because of my english, but none of what I stated is meaned bad or against you.

 

If it is what I stated, I am sorry. I wasa trying to say only that I tought you know about it, as it happen in time you where online.
About expecting quick actions... I ws here when flash/SDS get their bans because of shoutbox. Their ban was matter of seconds. It is hard to not expect it will be like this next time as well

 

Errr, I was here throughout that whole ordeal. The conversation between Flash and SDS went on for several hours, where the hell did you get seconds from?! Akai politely asked them to take it somewhere else multiple times but they refused.

I'm neutral about this stuff but at the end of the day Flash and SDS knew what the consequences of their actions would be and it's not like the incident on shoutbox was the only time they've had warnings. Their cool with the ban so you're defending them needlessly.

 

With all respect (and I mean it), CAN YOU PLEASE READ WHAT I AM SAYING? I know my english is not good, but I am damn sure I did NOT defend them ANYWHERE.
just to compare

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Please do not try to make me defender of flash or sds or anyone. I am not talking about them here. Not at all.
I am talking here about BBS being allowed to do what he is doing.

 

This right here, implying the whole incident went on for seconds sounds like your defending them to me. If the Flash/SDS situation is irrelevant then why did you bring it up at all?

Couldn't care less about the situation with BBS, and I don't think it's the mods job to moderate what happens on PSN/XBL, i've seen the majority of his posts and I don't see how he's done anything wrong on the forums. If talking shit was a bannable offense then 99% of us wouldn't be here, hell i'd probably be among the first to go

To me it feels like you and others are singling him out because you're salty about his actions on PSN, that's all fine imo but you've got to realise he's done nothing wrong here.

 

I did not defend them. I was juts puting here my observation.

And why I am putting here? Because of what akai said and what I am reacting at:
he claims we can not expect instant actions
I answer that after seing this, I was thinking akai is acting very fast

That is all, nothing more behind this sentence.

I can understand you may think this and I can see your points. I was just trying to express my personal feelings about whole issue (and I personally think he did wrong thing here on VFDC; which are even more wrong to me because of who he is) and get some answers about how others see it (here thx for your point of view) and how mods see it.

 

I'd like to speak up on behalf of KO since his voice isn't allowed here for the moment. Please be advised I've no clue what he got banned for, who reported him, etc. etc. I'm literally detail-less regardless of the questions I put forth to Akai. He told me to refer to this thread, so I did. He told me to put forth my case here, so I am.

First off, let's examine KO's character. He's a 19 year old young man, fresh out of high school, hormones high, with medical condition (I will not disclose it mostly because I do not remember exactly what it is but I believe it regards something around seafood and porn?) and loves VF and wants to get better and offers help to anyone who wants it if he has the right information they're looking for. He's quick to give you advice if you ask, he'll give you a game if he's able and then critique you. He's exactly what VFDC likes: A helpful community oriented player.

I'm also aware of his trolling tendencies. I mean, his shirt matches his avatar: The Troll Face. He's not hiding anything. People that take offense to his actions maybe should be aware that he's not pretending to be anything other than what he says. He's also young (as noted earlier) which suggests an age of rebellion. We've all been young and told our dads to shut up whether they were right or wrong. This doesn't excuse his behavior, but I think it gets into the psyche of his whole persona here at VFDC and deserves both our sympathy and guidance.

I'm aware of SOME of the things he may have said regarding BBS and SB. However, my argument here is that KO has not at all hidden who or what he is and what his intentions are. I may be stretching it and maybe speaking for him when I shouldn't be but I believe HE is someone with good intentions to help the community that he sees is legit and sees fit to troll those who aren't. Judging from what little I've heard of both BBS and SB, he sees them as frauds and trolls (and BBS' antics are backed up in this very thread) so maybe he thinks he can prove something to them that the mods are unable to touch due to whatever reason be it jurisdiction since neither have proven to be a nuisance here. This is definitely not the correct way to handle such situations.

However, this brings up the complaints issues and how they are handled. I have no formal complaints about any single member here as I'm a proponent of free speech, even if I find it offensive and/or racist/etc. Free speech is just that. It's free and I understand this is an international forum and that even 'free speech' in America has been perverted so much so that the dollar seems to equal free speech (though that's neither here nor there). Being as such free speech is not unlimited in these forums and I respect that. What I don't respect is when a community member that's helpful as much as KO is can be banned without so much as a community vote on whether he stays or leaves. True the rules agreed to when signing up for this forum gives up all rights to the forum owner. However, given the fact that BBS and SB have contributed nothing at all, the ban put forth for the second time seems counter productive to the community at large.

Now let me level with you guys. I'm not a great guy, I don't offer much to anyone here other than a game on XBL now and then. Hell, my dick is tiny and balls are shriveled and old. But I'm literally what KO would be in 5 years (except he'd be better at VF than me). I'm a troll, myself, for the most part. I say dumb things to get a response. I do dumb things for a laugh. Being 19, KO obviously has crossed the invisible line that you literally cannot see until after you've tested the waters several times. But I believe that overall his positive contributions to the community far outweigh the negatives to what...2 people? TWO PEOPLE? Really? Sorry to be such a douche right there, but this is me arguing as he would but through an older mouth. He's already banned so I don't think I can get him banned any further than being banned already...lol But let me put it how KO might put it were he to have the experience in such matters that I've endured over my mouth:

AS KO RIGHT HERE:
"I felt that the negative actions I took towards specific individuals were warranted. They have presented themselves as anti community, seek nothing more than fame via fraud and do nothing to help VF as a whole. They've portrayed themselves as nothing more than scum, and I thought, given my talents as a troll, would beat them at their own game. I had not intended in personally insulting them nor did I wish to imply that VFDC is against those with disabilities or those who aren't of age. However, that being said, I don't believe my actions were overall detrimental to neither the forums nor those individuals. I probably did cross the line, but not by intention and for that crossing, I do deserve punishment and I should, in the future, report those whom I believe discredit the community rather than take them on myself. I'm not the police of VFDC and this I now realize.

Yes, I just put out an unnofficial official statement by KO without his authorization. Again, it's hypothetical. So let me push forth to other points that were brought to my attention regarding this matter.

Next, I'm aware that KO also trolled Akai, whom I believe has been the one to ban him on several occasions.

@Akai - No one likes to be banned, especially if they feel they did nothing wrong REGARDLESS of the rule system. This is one of those things I tried to help you understand. He's 19...or whatever. 20? Anyway, he's young. He's at that age where "Shit, you're not my dad, you're not the boss of me!" And it's one of those times where rebellion is common. I told my dad and my mom to fuck off at one point. The punished me. But they also told me why and even though I didn't agree with it, I still abided by the rules. I think in that age past 18 when you're on your own, you feel you can get away with 'fuck off' type attitude without understanding why you actually cannot. Again, I'm pretty much just sticking my neck out for the guy and maybe I'll get banned, too.

But to reiterate, I think KO's issue is "Why am I getting banned by YOU AKAI when these other assholes are doing much worse without saying anything public? You're about as fair as the 2 party US political system! (i.e. not fair)". And thus the only way to protest this issue he has is to press it in a less than tactful way. He's also, I've seen, tried to push your buttons and I think this is in line with my assessment. He's devlish, he's trolling, but goddammit, he's good for the community and if you're legit and not full of shit and such, he's going to help you either legit or through his trolling antics. Either way, I feel his ban is unwarranted and although there's no clause in the forum agreement to protest such bans, I do request he get a shorter sentence of 3 months instead of 6.

I normally do not do this for other members of a forum, but personally, even being a noob, he didn't troll me in such a way that I felt offended or acted upon in malice. He made points and he made them humorously. To ban someone because their humor doesn't work on others is an atrocity. But it's your dojo, so you run it as you like. I am just voicing my displeasure and will accept whatever happens whether in his favor or not.

Thanks for reading and I return to my goofy old self....

3PP? FUck that shit, that move is stank.

 

Touche. That's french for ass slapping.

I was more or less being an impartial character witness.

 

I don't think Akai enjoys banning anyone. I certainly don't like to do it.

I agree with your assessment of Kamais. He's got many components to his personality. All can be subjectively estimated in percentages.

I wish his percentages would shift around a little - say 85% good for the community instead of, I don't know, 49%.

It's unfortunate.

It's also gone on for years.

 

Max ban should be 1 or 2 months.

I don't know what was said but Kamais is banned 6 months. I think this might be a bit excessive. If KO lives to 100 years old this ban will be .5% of his life. Of course that's a bit hyperbole. Realistically, a person plays good vf from what?--like 18 yrs old to 40 yrs old? that's 22 years (this is generous too). That means KO was just banned for 7.33% of his vf prime :/

Anywho, KO be damned i think the max ban should be 1-2 months. The vfdc community is to small to be handing out huge bans. I really wouldn't mind seeing people who dropped the n-word, and the f*g words banned one month at a time. Longer is simply a bit too much.

 

Bans are cumulative meaning if a member is banned more than once the longer the time is added. KO has been banned several times now so his ban time is 6 months.

If KO continues to make fake accounts his ban might be permanent.