I've been doing relatively ok against my fellow "competitive newbie" (using the poll terminology) crowd with Vanessa's oki game, and would like to progress further in this area. Here's what I know so far, which I don't know would work against somewhat more experienced people. b,b+k+g - Uhm, yeah, that AI-cheeze move, but I find that it's useful against people, too. Play charge/delay, cancel+grab, etc. mind games. k+g - I've done some ura stuff with it. A bit like Lei's f,f+k+g. It's really slow to start up, however. Once in a blue moon kind of a thing. sabaki elbow - Defeats any low rising attack that I've tried it against. Hehehe. mid reversal - Defeats mid rising kicks in the two reversible rising kick positions (face up, feet away; face down, feet towards). The following always leaves the opponent in one of the two above reversible mid rising kick positions: - 270 throw #1 - 270 throw #2 - d/f,d/f+p+g throw - standard p+g throw (DS) - standard p+g throw (MT) - high punch reversal - the auto wrist grab, then throw, where she takes you down to the ground - There may be more, but the above are what I've noticed. Anyway, so I mix up the above, and it's been working well. Can anybody add/correct/suggest to the above? Also, what do you guys use to tag QR/TRers? I've been trying k+g with some success, but not sure if that's the way to go. Thx.