MT stance: p+k,p,k. All three hits will connect if the first connect as a MC (I think) Very useful for okizemi as it does good damage and you ends up with initaitive. Even when blocked it is uncounterable but I think Vanessa is at a slight disadvantage. Some Japanese board seems to say that initiative is 50-50 even when blocked but it doesn't seem that way. I know for sure a Vanessa elbow will lose to Lion's d/f+p after the knee is blocked. MT d+p, pretty good move. Sabaki low moves and dodges quite a number of high moves, like Kage's b+p. Thus it is very hard to be interrupted. But I do not know who has the initaitive after a normal or MC hit. It seems to be Vanessa recovers fairly slowly after that move. But you can always do another d+p. unverified stuff from Japanese board 1) after a blocked sidekick or 2_5+p Vanessa 3P can win opponents elbow. Wow. That sounds pretty good.