Vanessa VF5FS Version A Change Log

I wonder if this a new move or did they just map b+k+g to a new input

 

I was thinking about vane's VF5FS nitaku-speed mids from DS:

WS no changes
CH no longer deals guaranteed damage
simplified followup input (i also remember reading it now combos on recovery CH but i can't find the source)
lost pushback, no longer crouch staggers, less safe
no longer has a mid followup
no changes
no changes no longer tracks to her stomach
lost pushback, does 5 more damage (note: in vF5FS all characters have more life)
no longer sabakis sweeps, still chip trivial damage, not for nitaku anyway

I think i'll be using a LOT more. AFAIC having a solid hitbox is more important that ever (see other character's movelists ; evasive moves have not dissapeared/toned down, instead they have been generally given easier inputs) AND sideturned situations tend to favour the attacker in VF5FS. Just a thought.

EDIT (April 5th, 2014): there's a new sidekick that knocks down on NH; i'm currently trying to use that move more as well.

 

Good question. If i had to quantify "chip damage" for VF i'd have to say "less than p,k" (32 dmg).

would fit that definition because, even if you Large Counter Hit (Attack Damage ≥ 25) an opponent with, vane just gets 18*1,60 = 28 damage.

Also, bear in mind that most players will go for jab or low punch from disadvantage, in which case vanessa will get 18*1,3 = 23 damage. Hence my "not for nitaku anyway" comment.

AFAIK any single hit that does 19 or less damage fits the bill. For multihit/moves that combo on NH, well, one has to do the math i guess. For example Lion's is listd as "7,20" damage so 7*1,6 = 11 + 20 = 31 = chip damage AFAIC.

BTW this is the definition i used when i compiled my own take on VF5 vane' movelist. Notice how DS jab says "chip damage" whereas OS jab has no such mention. Just in case anyone wanted to know. Also in case anyone wanted to know, fast/slow speed breakpoints are =<14 and =>19 ; short/long range is more subjective, sorry.

Anyway, i'm kinda deviating from VF5FS discussion here, sorry Back on subject, i don't know if anyone has noticed that VF5FS got rid of . It looked like the move was going to be a staple when it got increased reach and a new input with in VF5R but then they scrapped it Also "block up knee" (or at least that's what i think the japanese announcer screamed) from VF5R, a far reaching mid knee that knocked down on normal hit, we didn't get to see that either.

ON THE OTHER HAND i totally forgot about her new moves According to http://www37.atwiki.jp/vfmad/pages/229.html (far reaching mid kick, knocks down on normal hit, share the animation with a Sarah move) is 18f and (the stance-switching shoulder ram) is 19f. They seem to have a good reach, maybe they'll be used after blocking an opponent's move that has good pushback.

That said, I was also thinking that even if the opponent chooses to evade , all is not lost for vanessa since the new followup is full circular. And in VF5FS there's no evade p+k so it must be somewhat more difficult for the opponent to autopilot around the followup - whereas it's easier for the vanessa player, all he has to do is press , not " plus the direction the opponent evaded to" like now.

Also the nww followup seems to have a better hitbox than the current one since it's used in rebounce combos (eg. stomach/foot crumple > low punch rebounce > ). So it might hit evade > crouchdash > launcher routines (evade yoho/shoulder ram/dragon cannon/high angle/regret discharge etc.). Hopefully

I'm not saying is superpowered or anything, i'm just saying that recent changes might favour it more than some of the other mids. Which might be a good thing (*cough* *cough*)

RIP Bone Crush Middle
2007-2012

 

Oh, OK, i get it now, chip was a poor choice of words. I'll use something else from now on.

You're also right about ; it also has the new backdash stagger since it's a sidekick. And now there are more damaging followups that just another (eg. floats a staggered opponent)

 

I don't understand anything in this thread.

 

You're right Chefboy_OB, just wild speculation Why don't you give us your first impressions about VF5FS vanessa? Like, how did DS change? Or OS ?

 

Impressions are coming soon! Just keep a lookout for the newsletter.

 

Vanessa's movelist for FS can be seen in the link below:

FS Vanessa's movelist

This spreadsheet will receive continuous updates as I find more info on Vanessa.

Kruza

 

Thank you Kruza Has the command for DS 6P3K really changed to 6P2K or is that a typo?

Also, i was thinking that that OS P+K is quite buffed. It's 16f, P+K,P is no longer throw punishable and even has some pushback, P+K,K knocks down. I am also under the impression that it combos on normal hit.

If so OS 3K seems kinda pointless. VF5 vanilla 3K,PKG bakchand followup is gone, 3KP does silly damage (unless 3KPK combos on CH?) and 3KK is still hella unsafe.

 

Whoops. Yeah, that was a typo I made putting in the Back Knuckle Toe Kick and Hold Face Knee commands. They're fixed now. Thanks for pointing this out, erdraug.

If you find any other proofreading mistakes let me know.

Kruza

 

Intercept position k+g is probably a high attack, not a hit throw. Also, don't this move and DS k+g have sideturn?

 

Yes, both moves you mention sideturns the opponent on hit.

I still have to add finer points like this as notes or comments for a few characters on my spreadsheets. Up to now the only characters I have gone somewhat in-depth with in regards to listing minor details is Aoi and Shun.

And thanks again for identifying proofreading mistakes. All of these spreadsheets need to be critiqued with different sets of eyes from my own.

Kruza

 

Did Vanessa really lose all her Style switches after moves?

 

Yes

 

I think so.

Edit: After going over Vanessa's movelist again, the Back Charge Set Up (+ charge ) is the only move that allows OS-DS and DS-OS switches after execution.

Kruza

 

Well nice knowing you Back Knuckle.

-4 on hit as well? Damn.

Toe Kick should still be useful though. I assume you can still delay it?