VF at the 'tard farm.

A typical conversation when my buddy josh comes to visit -

"yaaay. retarded guessing games just for entering a stance."
"what the fuck! it's slow"
"DUDE IT'S 11 FRAMES! It's the FASTEST MOVE IN THE GAME!"
(lol)
"it's not like it's got great recovery"
(pfft)
"oh what the fuck. minus 14 fucking frames and you try a fucking combo starter and it works. that's just craptastic. I love the priority there. NO other character gets to attack 6 fucking times in a row for free except shun. jesus christ."
"it's no worse than that fucking front kick of goh's! invinciple priority over everything! oh-tay!"
"dude it doesn't have invinciple priority! i just use it when i frame advantage. at least it doesn't go into a canned three hit combo for forty percent of your life and isn't impossible to dodge. imagine if goh had your fucking kkp!"
"oh whatever. goh's no better. that goddamn f+p,p. punchpunchpunchjabjabpunch! over and over!"
"it's two hits and throw counterable! wtf! just THROW IT!"
"oh yeah THAT works."
"that's such fucking bullshit! KKP KKP KKP! just toss it out any old time! who gives a shit because it never loses to anything!"
(lol)
"yeah but it takes setting up!"
"setting up? what the fuck kind of setting up is it you get major countered with a low punch and mash it out! who the fuck throws out a big combo when they're minus fucking eight?! ok, good setup, throw it from three dashes away from me and watch the second hit smack hop clean over a sweep. what the fuck is that?!?#/!"
"oh and that's supposed to be worse than goh's knee? so frigging BORING.. knee float punch punch kick! knee float punch punch kick! wow easy half your life! nurr!"
"if i wanted style i woulda chosen someone else."
"i love my stick. there's my no-e-dteg. great. that's exactly what i wanted to fucking do. you lie on the ground so i dodge into the screen. that's just the ground throw i had in mind."
"this fucking hori piece of crap. the ball came off again. i can't get a fucking chouwan out to save my life."
"what do you need chouwan for? you don't even need the stick. just mash KKP some more."
(lol)
"that's SUCH! FUCKING! BULLSHIT! i can't believe they made it half circular! what were they SMOKING!"
"haha you just keep running into it."
"I block this gigantic fucking move and all I get to do is low punch you. great. a -2 float starter. sega must have had a laugh when they came up with that one. and then there's that fucking backdodge swipe. loses to absolutely fucking NOTHING. in fact, why are you wasting your time with all these other moves? just keep using that. it's not like my slow, stubby little legs can touch it before you run away some more. shun's fucking broken, he's the only character who can run away all day and force you to come after him because of the fucking drinking. he's built to flee. it's great."
"whatever, at least he doesn't get free throws off of every single move"
"what do you need throws for? you have invincible priority on every fucking move. you don' t have a clue how to play this game! no sense of frame advantage. 'behind in frames? just backdodge! want to techroll for free with impunity? backdodge is your friend! try it today!'...fucking fantastic dude. i wish goh had a move like THAT."
"yeah, that's right. I can't play the game. sheer luck I just nailed you with a throw there. ok, that's it."
"you play makes-people-want-to-quit-vf-style shun. it's so fucking tedious."
"you know you love it."

And so on. Come view the shadowdean and creed comedy hour. These clips show some of the better matches out of a recent session. You'll want to watch these if you:

1. Are a cynic who wants to reaffirm his convictions that north american VF will never come anywhere near asian levels.
2. Are a disgruntled korean who wants to get back at creed for criticising gudamy's play in an old clip.
3. Love to see shun di get pwned (though I tried to be fair and include some of josh's wins too. Don't let the clips fool you, he practically splits with me).
4. Are loaded and want a good laugh.
5. Are too young to understand what's going on but enjoy seeing drunken antics.

Ok, after that long intro... here are the clips. Be aware that since the movies are still being uploaded, the links won't work until several hours after I've finished this post.
Also, I've organized these into "decent", "ehh", and "barely competent" categories so you know which ones to get if you don't need 175 megs of mediocre goh vs shun.

Decent clips -
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_5.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_8.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_9.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_11.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_lau_vs_shadowdean_jeff_1.avi

ehh clips -
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_4.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_14.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_jacky_vs_shadowdean_vanessa_1.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_jeff_4.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_jeff_5.avi

barely competent clips -
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_jeff_2.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_jeff_3.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_jacky_vs_shadowdean_vanessa_2.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_1.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_2.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_3.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_6.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_7.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_10.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_12.avi
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_13.avi

 

Ultimate answer to shun's drunken stance after you have blocked entrance kick = crouch and block

Ultimate answer to shun's KKP = duck until second kick whiffs then fuck him up or block high then dodge than last punch.

 

ROFLOL...holy shit...
Oh yeah. when I play the clips, they play for about 10 seconds or so, then the video stops, but I still get sound...wtf?

 

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and then there's that fucking backdodge swipe. loses to absolutely fucking NOTHING. in fact, why are you wasting your time with all these other moves? just keep using that. it's not like my slow, stubby little legs can touch it before you run away some more.

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LMAO. Shun --> All.

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Ultimate answer to shun's drunken stance after you have blocked entrance kick = crouch and block

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I wouldn't say that. K from drunken stance +0 on block, +8 on hit and staggers on crouch hit.

 

Haha very good intro.I wish my vf playing buddies were like that.They couldn't give a monkeys about what a frame is or what an inashi does or what modifying a move is.Any how thanks for the Goh clips I'm looking for some inspiration to use him better!

 

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ROFLOL...holy shit...
Oh yeah. when I play the clips, they play for about 10 seconds or so, then the video stops, but I still get sound...wtf?

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This is divx being gay. I get it even though i updated my divx just the other day. Using the divx player app lets me view them perfectly ok.

 

drunken stance k wont hit you out of crouch its not a true mid. so if you crouch after blocking the f+k where your at -6. you wont have to worry about the 17 frame backfist or the drunken sweep. and all you now have to worry about is p+k,k which i actually forgot about until i started writing this.

The reason Handstand K is 11 frames is because its like -10 to get into handstand. Would kinda suck otherwise hell it does kinda suck.

 

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drunken stance k wont hit you out of crouch its not a true mid.

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When did that change? Is it since Evo came out or Ver. A --> Ver B. change?

 

dont know i always assumed it was a real mid as well then i played omaha jeffry and he kept ducking. so it might have beena change.

 

Yeah we're a hoot except to the ppl trying to sleep here
Poor josh loves my f+P,P... once I learned it removes DP's I just whore it out like crazy. Ditto df+P+G throw. I have to actually work to break the habit of using that weak throw now (as josh has to work at not playing jeffry with P+G throws and KKP like shun /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

LF, Thanks for the tip on the drunken stance K, I'd always thought it was mid. Will someone tell me why a KKP is half circular? And why it goes in the opposite direction of the K+G? I mean, specifically, where does sega buy their crack? And why couldn't the d+P at the end recover 1 frame slower so I could at least get a moderate K stagger or df+K knockdown? !@!%$! Also, why do all my 270's turn into P+G throws instead of at least valuable hcf throws. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just ranting, but something I wanted to mention myke - you need in the movelist (I think) the special rolling punch from (sitting down?) that shun acquired in evo. It looks like a forward roll and ends like a b,df+P sliding uppercut. It crouch staggers (heavy stagger but you can struggle in time to block i.e. KKP) and floats on any other hit. I want to know the recovery frames on that, because if my reflexes are too retarded to stop it during the forward roll portion, I want to know whether I can at least score a knee MC vs. an immediate low punch. I get the sense that it's uncounterable and maybe -5, because landing knee MC's after it is hit-or-miss. I'll be thrilled if it turns out the recovery is worse.

edit - adding one more clip of a cute but probably well known bug.
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/goh_shun_wtf.avi

 

Okay on the f+p+k+g,p roll(me prepares for more anti shun complaining) is -6 on block If you think its bad now just wait till josh starts using f+p+k+g,p->kkd+pk combo or the b+k more. Now here is another silly shun exception most people forget about to break shun's 270 you must actually do b,f+p+g yay shun.

 

Lol nice intro.

I know it just to well, since everybody is like that down here, which have resulted in 5 destroyed Namco sticks, one ripped of RGB cable, 2 broken glasses and a couple of bruised wrists and a trip to the hospital.
Plus all the swearing of course.

VF is fun! /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

it's too late, he's been nailing me with the roll into KKd+P combo already. If he didn't have a good followup the move wouldn't scare me so much /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It has some evasive properties - in the crappy movie section there's a movie I probably should have marked as "decent" because it has a very cute ending. Shun does the forward roll and I use goh's d+K+G trip to nail him out of it. Normally this trip should be hitting far to the side of goh, which implies to me that the roll is considered not only low to the ground but slightly sideways in relation to the roll victim. That might be why it always seems to crush stuff I'd normally except to beat it like a standing K.

The link to the cuteness, for everyone's reference, is -
http://media.virtuafighter.com/media/MDVF/creed_goh_vs_shadowdean_shun_7.avi

In retrospect it was a pretty good match, just not a close one.

 

ouch! the hospital, what was that for?

re: the namco sticks... judging by josh's, they would have broken anyway in time

 

the horrid stick..wtf was hori thinking?

 

Actually, in EVO you only need to break it with b+P+G, it was changed from regular VF4...and I am really happy about that. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif <---happy!

 

strange, it claims i don't have the right compressor / codec..

what could it be?

 

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ouch! the hospital, what was that for?

re: the namco sticks... judging by josh's, they would have broken anyway in time

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The hospital accident happened after a friend of mine had been beating to many times on the stick so his wrist just couldn’t take it in the end. So after that we promised each other not get to aggressive as we used to, much cheaper in the long run, and healthy too.

The Namco sticks can actually handle a few punches, but the Sega Dreamcast sticks are hard as hell, hitting those will give you some serious pain.

Nice clips btw. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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Also, why do all my 270's turn into P+G throws instead of at least valuable hcf throws. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Because you probably move the stick up to
Cut the mouvement earlier with +. I have the same pb since I change my TTT stick to a SC2 one which is kindah loose