VF Circuit September Team Battles (Online - PSN and XBL)

WOW this really IS complicated

 

If I get it correctly, the issue is that you do not count victories through sets, but through Matchups.
matchup 1 was Kingo. He won set 1 and 2.
matchup 2 was Aidan. He won set1 but lose set 2
matchup 3 was Kahn. He won set 1 and tie set 2.

That means that...
matchup 1 is win for Scrubs.
matchup 2 is tie and set 3 will decide which team won this matchup
matchup 3 is in favoure of Scrubs but FFF can still change it into tie in set 3

so matchups 2 and 3 needs to be played in set3.

If FFF will win both of them, the battle will end in tie (matchup 1 go to Scrubs, matchup 2 will go to FFF, matchup 3 will be tie).
If FFF will lose one or both of this 2 matchups OR win matchup 2 but tie matchup 3, Scrubs will win the battle.
If FFF will win both matchups OR win matchup 3 and tie matchup 2, it will be a one big tie.
Plus Scrubs cant lose now.

So FFF needs to win or tie matchup 2 and win mathcup 3 to not lose.

@akai is this correct?
Anyway what I do not understand is pairing in set 3 in this case. Can FFF pair using all 3 of their players, or is anyone of them out of the game as much as kingo is? And if yes, who and why?

 

Ok, I thought the reasoning was made on sets not matchups.
So this changes all indeed.
I'm not sure I'll be able to play tonight but wenesday should be okay.

 

Yes, makes sence. Together with the rule that winner stays but loser can be swaped...
But what about in case of tie? Can players be swaped? And if yes, which team decides about swaping 1st?

 

Well, since it's our first attempt, the rules ( an unusual format ) seemed a little confused, but I think we all get it now.
I guess kahn rahn & aidan can switch their opponent in set 3, right ? even if kahn rahn got a tie against chibitox in set 2 ?

 

BigStickOwners (Home) vs. KoScrubs (Away)​

Set 1

1. Ring 1 - BigStickOwners, Krye (JE) vs. KoScrubs A, Pana (JA) - Results: (0-3 ; 1-3)
2. Ring 2 - BigStickOwners, 40i4 (EL) vs. KoScrubs A, G0d3L (KA) - Results: (0-3 ; 3-0)
3. Ring 3 - BigStickOwners, Manjimaru (JA) vs. KoScrubs A, Unicorn (WO) - Results: (0-3 ; 1-3)

Set 2

1. Ring 1 - BigStickOwners, Manjimaru (JA) vs. KoScrubs A, Pana (JA) - Results: (0-3 ; 1-3)
2. Ring 2 - BigStickOwners, 40i4 (EL) vs. KoScrubs A, G0d3L (KA) - Results: (2-3 ; 3-2)
3. Ring 3 - BigStickOwners, Krye (JE) vs. KoScrubs A, Unicorn (WO) - Results: (3-2 ; 3-2)

Set 3

1. Ring 2 - BigStickOwners, 40i4 (EL) vs. KoScrubs A, G0d3L (KA) - Results: (0-3 ; 2-3)

*Ring 3 - Manjimaru played against Unicorn and won 3-1 ; 3-2 because Krye didn't defend his Ring.

 

Overall good job, my little scrubs !

 

Not quite how I envisioned it..

The ring whichever its number is: First unicorn beats me, then loses to Krye, then Krye says "fuck this shit", refuses to play the third set and leaves, and I fight in Kryes place to win against Unicorn.

So the ring that you talk about is actually a win for us..

What number of the ring this is - I dont really care.

edit: Why did you ninja-edit your post... my quote ended up being incorrect.. grr..

 

Krye seemed to be in bad mood yesterday and both xliiv and godel arrived later then expected. Krye just play 2 sets of 2 and then he left, because he did not wish to wait to "play more of this shit".
At least this is how I understood what happened.

 

Actually they arrived more or less the time we had agreed on, everyone else just started almost a hour early due to Pana asking we start as early as possible.

The reason why Krye left, is afaik that he didn't know about how many sets he would have to play. I had told him to play two sets. I couldn't answer his questions how many were actually needed since I wasn't even sure myself at that time. When I told him he would have to play a third set, he didn't want to and just left. (He didn't want to play in vf circuit at all, but since 2 of our players I haven't heard since sunday and one said he wasn't going to play, we needed him to)

And as for feedback about the system: playing the third set is completely unneeded, since tie in the over all results is possible.. You can figure out a win a loss or a tie with just 2 sets. Third is unnecessary in all permutations. NORMAL fighting game tournaments do not allow a tie in the overall results, so they opt for best of 3 or best of 5 method.

On the other hand, if the purpose is "to play" to quote Unicorn, then why not just say "play 3 sets" always. Why must it be "maybe 2 maybe 3", for rather arbitrary reasons. Just another example of unneeded complications. VF circuit rules give me a headache with how illogical they are. And thats the reason I have trouble understanding them.

ps. I dont think I will continue this farce either. 99% of the time is spent doing something other than playing VF.

 

I must agree with @Manjimaru that there is problem with this team rules. Overall they work well and everything, but we all are in circuit in order to play and to enjoy VF. With how the rules works, you will spend significantly more time waiting for something or someone then playing.
You need to wait till all sets are done with each round, you need to wait for (or to make) decision abouit swapping, you need to wait till your new (or old, but you never know in advance, so it does not matter) opponent will join you in PM...
You are spending a lot of time with waiting while you spend only a little bit with playing.
I think this should be considered as an issue and be solved.

I mean... We really all wish to play. Circuit is AWESOME for this.
It is sort-of online online simulation of competitive playing. That is great.
The rules for teams are good and fair. That is also great.
Problem is that while the rules itself are good, their spirit is killing the very reason why people enter whole Circuit.
And personally... Yeah. partially during individual events on Sunday and much more on team event yesterday, I was getting bored and I start questioning myself why I am playing this. It took me over an hour to play 6 (!!!) games and I had no time to watch my teammates saved games during this, cause if I will, there will be a high chance I will be hindering 5 other players. The same stands for individual event and watching the replays.

@akai , I know you put a lot of effort into this, but please try to consider this. Maybe less-fair but more-fun rules will work better that this ones. maybe somethign like "play 3 (6. whatever) games with everyone from opposing team during next week and report results" should work fine and be about as fair as this rules are..?

 

I can see what you are trying to do, but online with its limitations to communication compared to offline just doesn't yield to this complexity. If we spend a hour setting it up, and play for 2 minutes, you can see its nothing short of disastrous experience that just drives people away. Since we have next to no chance to actually COMMUNICATE, then FORCING us to do so is a bad idea. Strategy should be optional, not forced.

 

Communicating is not that hard with a mic or even with messages.
I understand you have fun only when you play, but for some of us communicating with teammates or one's opponents isn't a waste of time; you can take out this aspect and just play, but this seems to me like individual events glued to add points for the team and that's all, not very different from the individual circuit then.

 

I haven't even played a match in this yet but here's my suggestion (which someone already said). Since it's 3vs3 why not have every one play vs everyone (3 rings).

It doesn't take away the communication breaks if people want to have them but at least there's not a lot of thinking of who's going to get matched vs who and everyone gets to play vs everyone of the opposing team.

Points counted from overall match win totals from both teams. In a situation of a tie either a) have both teams choose a representative for a final BO3 match or go with the one with the most wins maybe (or the ones with the least for something possibly a bit more interesting) OR b) count rounds (and then possibly still go to (a) if itss still a tie). I'd prefer option a out of those suggestions.

Just on a sidenote I thought people realized there's the breaks between matches and one full set is going to take a bit more than an hour or so...