VF2 and VF3 world match TV show

(I`m sorry my english is bad /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)

How did you feel after you see that... ...

VF2
http://big.freett.com/nibelheim/tonight2vf2.wmv

VF3
http://big.freett.com/nibelheim/tonight2vf3.wmv

 

Wow /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif A blast from the past! Normal hair BunBunMaru, heh...

 

Hi, I'm getting 404's... /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

I have actually seen those before, and it is kind of funny how they focus on BunBun Maru, but he ends up losing to relatively not well known players.

Just like Chibita lost to Minami, and Tsuchikumo lost to Yono (in Kakauto Shinseki 2)

 

The files seem to be down...., unfortunately. Is there any mirror available? Would like to have a look at those battles.

Jacky

 

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empnova said:

Just like Chibita lost to Minami, and Tsuchikumo lost to Yono (in Kakauto Shinseki 2)

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I agree with you on Minami, but Yoro Kage has been

considered one of top tier Kage players in Japan for

a long period of time. His name value is not that

inferior to that of Tsuchikumo.

 

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jacky4jkd said:

The files seem to be down...., unfortunately. Is there any mirror available? Would like to have a look at those battles.

Jacky

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Okay,I'm just taking up now.

The two TV-show clips is uploading again by another courtesy japanese site . /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The site is here :

http://sk.redbit.ne.jp/~replay/game_movie.html

 

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madagascar said:

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empnova said:

Just like Chibita lost to Minami, and Tsuchikumo lost to Yono (in Kakauto Shinseki 2)

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I agree with you on Minami, but Yoro Kage has been

considered one of top tier Kage players in Japan for

a long period of time. His name value is not that

inferior to that of Tsuchikumo.





[/ QUOTE ] Yeah but, in terms of fame and credit for VF, Tsuchikumo is the one who discovered all of the combos he uses for Pai, and despite what others say, is one of the best players hands down.

There is no comparing a good Kage player to a good Pai player, becuase most people play as either Kage, Jacky, or Akira, their combos and series are discovered long before those of all other characters.

For instance, Brad players have yet to use half of his moves in chained combos, becuase no one (who is of high rank) bothers too.

But Akira, from day one of VF4 regular and Evo, nearly all of his combos were put up on the internet with in ONE MONTH [/B], which is like no time at all.

Tsuchikumo created most if not all of the combos he uses currently, while Yono uses mostly old and repetetive combos, which other people figured out for him.

Tsuchikumo has also beaten BunBun, Chibita, Minami and other high ranking players to name a few, and while yes, Yono has a very good Kage game, it is not as good as other players (such as Tsuchikumo).

Yono remember lost 3-0 to Minami, and while yes Tsuchikumo lost to Yono 3-1 at Kakuto, it had nothing much to do with skill, as you know, most of the good player choked, which is totally understandable due to the circumstances.

On normal days of the week, Tsuchikumo would dominate any Kage player, or at least give 'em one hell of a run for their money.

And you need an example of Yono acting like a bad VF player, take a look at recent Sega footage of the Kage scramble, he RO'ed him self three times in a row, WTF kind of "good" player would do that, because he was afraid of losing.

Tsuchikumo knows that losing is part of VF expereince, and that you learn from it.

Tsuchikumo will always be the better player, becuase you don't see him RO'ing him self to fight weaker players.

 

I just want to touch on some of the points you made here...

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<font color="orange"> Yeah but, in terms of fame and credit for VF, Tsuchikumo is the one who discovered all of the combos he uses for Pai, and despite what others say, is one of the best players hands down.

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Tsuchikumo created most if not all of the combos he uses currently, while Yono uses mostly old and repetetive combos, which other people figured out for him.
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I don't think that this is something to put down as a bad thing. The players are excellent - to think they would not have figured out the combos, etc, on their own is a bit of a stretch. Nothing has really changed in combos since VF3. Some new moves to add in, but not a whole lot.

As far as Pai combos are concerned - the combos used by Tsuchikumo are standard and by no means credited to him. Every combo that *I* use with Pai I came up with as well long ago in VF4 arcade VerB. They arise out of necessity and people stumble upon them as often as the next guy. I'm no less of a Pai player however if I start to use a combo that I saw in a Japanese Pai clip. Nor is Yono a lesser Kage player because he uses d+P+KK after df+P.

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<font color="orange">...most of the good player choked, which is totally understandable due to the circumstances. </font>

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I watched, as did many others, the matches live. Imo, no one "choked". Minami beat the hell out of everyone - he was by far the best player of the day and his winning is proof of that. It's not like he won only because the others did not play up to standards. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif He won because he kicked ass.

<font color="yellow">.cheers. </font>

 

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zokun said:

Okay,I'm just taking up now.

The two TV-show clips is uploading again by another courtesy japanese site . /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The site is here :

http://sk.redbit.ne.jp/~replay/game_movie.html


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Thank you so much Zokun!!! I'm always searching VF3 stuff to improve my techniques.

With warmest regards
Jacky

 

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Llanfair said:

I just want to touch on some of the points you made here...

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<font color="orange"> Yeah but, in terms of fame and credit for VF, Tsuchikumo is the one who discovered all of the combos he uses for Pai, and despite what others say, is one of the best players hands down.

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Tsuchikumo created most if not all of the combos he uses currently, while Yono uses mostly old and repetetive combos, which other people figured out for him.
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I don't think that this is something to put down as a bad thing. The players are excellent - to think they would not have figured out the combos, etc, on their own is a bit of a stretch. Nothing has really changed in combos since VF3. Some new moves to add in, but not a whole lot.

As far as Pai combos are concerned - the combos used by Tsuchikumo are standard and by no means credited to him. Every combo that *I* use with Pai I came up with as well long ago in VF4 arcade VerB. They arise out of necessity and people stumble upon them as often as the next guy. I'm no less of a Pai player however if I start to use a combo that I saw in a Japanese Pai clip. Nor is Yono a lesser Kage player because he uses d+P+KK after df+P.

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<font color="orange">...most of the good player choked, which is totally understandable due to the circumstances. </font>

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I watched, as did many others, the matches live. Imo, no one "choked". Minami beat the hell out of everyone - he was by far the best player of the day and his winning is proof of that. It's not like he won only because the others did not play up to standards. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif He won because he kicked ass.

<font color="yellow">.cheers. </font>

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First of all you are not half the player Tsuchikumo is, and second of all you didn't discover one combo for yourself, so get over yourself and stop lying.
Second of all, all of the combos you use for Pai, either Tsuchikumo discovered them, or Sega Am2 programmed them like that.


AND WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU SAYING THE PLAYERS DID'NT CHOKE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANY OF THEM, NO I THINK NOT.

Ahem, with that out of the way, most of the players, Chibita, Hreruru, Mukki, Tsuchikumo, even Yono, admitted to getting very nervous before each match. In Sega's clips you can see simple things like players shaking, sweating, or looking pale.

All of the 3-0 victories from the sweet 16 and below were a clear result of nerves getting to the other player, becuase it is impossible to be at the top of your game when everyone is screaming and the announcers have just told of your mistakes to the crowd.

Examples of choking, not that I have any disrespect for the players at all, but again I must prove my point, (this topic sure has strayed):

Hreruru: All of his matches were 3-2 towards the end, and he tended to overuse the + after simple series, and HomeStay Akira caught him on that most of the time. And in the quadrafinals, remember him losing that round two fight after he had taken off like 65% of his Kage opponent's life bar, only to get RO'ed with Koen'raku.

Chibita:
-An animal of offense, he said that he tried to predict Minami's moves based on previous matches with him and observing him, but Minami just + him against the wall twice for the win.

Yono:
Most people though he was lucky that most Akira players that he had to fight made no attempt at reversals, there were several times that Minami thought about reversing him, but wouldn't.

 

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First of all you are not half the player Tsuchikumo is, and second of all you didn't discover one combo for yourself, so get over yourself and stop lying.
Second of all, all of the combos you use for Pai, either Tsuchikumo discovered them, or Sega Am2 programmed them like that.


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lol. Dude, your tea-cup is so full I can't add much to it without it spilling all over your pants.

People discover combos all the time. Are they combos no one else has ever heard of? sometimes. But sometimes the timeline of discovery is a set of parallel lines for many people tackling the same character. Combos are hardly so gossamer that it takes a savant to pick them out.

I remember in VF2 trying to nail a modified knee from Kage's TFT with a forward dash and then , motion and being told it would never hit. Eventually we learned it could but with a more precise method of crouch dashing that we--at the time--couldn't achieve.

The point is, if I had nailed a rising knee after the TFT (I did give up) would I have owned that combo for NA or even VF? No, because likely someone else was trying the same thing.

I really think that Llanfair said something inoffensive here and for you to call him a liar is repugnant and simultaneously shows your ignorance and fan-boy approach.

GE

 

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<font color="orange">First of all you are not half the player Tsuchikumo is, and second of all you didn't discover one combo for yourself, so get over yourself and stop lying.
Second of all, all of the combos you use for Pai, either Tsuchikumo discovered them, or Sega Am2 programmed them like that. </font>

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Wow. I have never seen such a reply before - I'm shocked a little, even. Apparently I need to 'get over myself', and stop 'lying'. That is too funny. It is highly likely that Tsuchikumo would rip me apart with Pai, but he would do it using combos that he alone did not "discover". You can stay under your little rock and throw ridicules all you want - heh, GE said it best actually.
I will, however, stand quite firm in my claim however. The combos that I use in my Pai game - I figured out on my own - but this does not mean that I get to lay claim to them. That's just retarded.
In VF3, I "discovered" the insane damage of Kage's TFT into DP close to the wall. TFT --> DP --> TT-PKG --> Kickflip. That was the combo I discovered early in the arcade VF3 days. Do I write emails to Gamest bitching that they stole my combo by publishing it in the Maniac Combo section of a Mook without giving me credit? No, because that would be retarded.

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<font color="orange">AND WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU SAYING THE PLAYERS DID'NT CHOKE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANY OF THEM, NO I THINK NOT.

Ahem, with that out of the way, most of the players, Chibita, Hreruru, Mukki, Tsuchikumo, even Yono, admitted to getting very nervous before each match. In Sega's clips you can see simple things like players shaking, sweating, or looking pale.

All of the 3-0 victories from the sweet 16 and below were a clear result of nerves getting to the other player, becuase it is impossible to be at the top of your game when everyone is screaming and the announcers have just told of your mistakes to the crowd.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with me - I can assure you of this /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif There is something, I am beginning to believe, that is wrong with you however. I have played in many many VF tournaments. No, none as large as the Japanese Nationals - but the feeling is the same. I know what it's like to have nerves during a match.

If I lose because I'm nervous, does this mean I choked? No, it means I was nervous and obviously I couldn't get it under control and perform when I had to. I'll reiterate the important part here: When I had to.

What about the other side of the cabinet? Minami Akira. According to you he was the only player who was NOT nervous. So, in other words, it's the calm guy that wins, right? Why play at all then - why not just measure everyone's heart rate before the match, and whomever's is lower automatically wins.

If I were to interview *anyone* after *anything* they just lost - do you think I'm going to say "Yeah, I was playing my top game and he totally destroyed me". It would be a wonderful place if people were that honest and humble. But that's not the case. People will use excuse after excuse after excuse to not have to admit that someone truly outplayed them. Shit, even over in here in North America we have excuses - the best one being "Yeah, the DVD-R is slowing the game down" It's an excuse.

What it boils down to is that when you've made it to Japanese final 16, there's no way you can use the excuse that you just didn't have your 'A' game ready. To make it there, you've already been unbelievably consistent in bringing your 'A' game to so many events. - especially Chibita and Heruru. From Chibita's comments, it seems as though he strategized wrong, not choked. Strategizing wrong means you lose - fair and square, you lose. Heruru "tended to overuse ++" - dude, this is classic strategizing wrong. He's kicking himself to this day for being so predictable in that final - but don't blame his loss on nerves, that's no excuse, blame it on him not being the better player that day.

<font color="yellow">.cheers.</font>

 

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First of all you are not half the player Tsuchikumo is, and second of all you didn't discover one combo for yourself, so get over yourself and stop lying.
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First, before you start denouncing someone, identify yourself.
Who the fuck are you?
Where do you live? And how good do you think you are in VF?
Those things will add credibility to your posts.

Hey, maybe you really are far superior player than llan or godeater, and capable of making such "authoritative" comments, i.e. Tsuchikumo discovering combos, etc.

At this point though, I haven't got a clue as whether to trust you or not.

Oh, I'm impressed with your analysis of all these Japanese matches, especially from psychological point of view. It almost makes me believe as if you were standing besides them and interviewing their post-match comments.

However, if you want to write about them, perhaps you want to get their names' spellings straight? That may be the least you can do, and a place to start?

Hreruru = Heruru
Yono = Yoro Kage
Minami = Minami Akira (There is also a in-famous Kage player by the name "Minami".

Lastly, my name is Shota, and I live in Chicago, Illinois, USA.
My primary character is Lau. I was perhaps above average in VF3, but definitely sub-par in VF4. 7-8 dan level in Tokyo area according to Hiro. Currently, I am too busy making money and chasing after a girl. Lack of play time clearly shows.

 

Ok, my name is Sean Cummings, I am half American and half Japanese, my father is an American army officer, and my mom is his Japanese wife. I have to move every two years, last year I was in NY, now I am in Japan (next year is Korea, hot shit!!!)

Saying that Hreruru was at the top of his game was also wrong, if any of you have ever seen him play, he gets these like long winning streaks that take like hours some times to break, not the case of Seg'a World Finals, nearly every match for him was a comeback match.


I went the Kakuto finals, and have seen pretty much every top player win and lose a match, some matches even against me. And who cares if I spell things wrong, do you have any fucking idea how hard it is to learn four languages and keep the spelling straight in each of them, it just sucks alot. I know English, Japanese, Latin (bleh!), and French!

Chibita said that he just fucked up bigtime against Minami Akira when they fought in the Quarter finals. Minami had just + him into a wall and follow it with + ( after 1 one frame) the knee, when Chibita recovered if you recall he used, from backturned position , all of them connected (right?), and then right after Chibita decided to throw, (I think he said + though not sure) to which he got double palmed again and then + to lose the match, he said he "choked" and the throw was a desperate guess. Anyways though, Chibita has always had alot of problems with good Akira players, take a look at the match against Mukki (I think), in the Daioh_hi_06 video, the last matched Chibita gets raped flat out. He gets an excellent victory on himself, and the last round gets only one hit on him, the next gets reversed, not to mention taking three 's in a row.


And lastly, I play a load of VF Evo at the arcade near my house, my Akira card is like 2500+ / 500+ or so, and my Goh card is 42 / 17.

If you have any more personal questions, fire away you weirdos, why did you want to know who I was anyways, sheesh?

 

Thank you. That's the kind of response I requested, and I got it.

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And who cares if I spell things wrong, do you have any fucking idea how hard it is to learn four languages and keep the spelling straight in each of them, it just sucks alot. I know English, Japanese, Latin (bleh!), and French!
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Would you be least disturbed if someone spells your name wrong?
And I do not know how difficult it may be to speak four languages. But if you claim that you do, then do it. Make your best effort.

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If you have any more personal questions, fire away you weirdos, why did you want to know who I was anyways, sheesh?
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Nope, don't have more questions at the time being. I am only interested in knowing your VF background.

Why did I ask who you were? I will quote from my previous post AGAIN:
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First, before you start denouncing someone, identify yourself.
Who the fuck are you?
Where do you live? And how good do you think you are in VF?
Those things will add credibility to your posts.
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<font color="orange">Saying that Hreruru was at the top of his game was also wrong, if any of you have ever seen him play, he gets these like long winning streaks that take like hours some times to break, not the case of Seg'a World Finals, nearly every match for him was a comeback match. </font>

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I have great respect for Heruru's achievements, don't get me wrong. But on a day where it all counted, where it all meant more than anything before, he couldn't find his top game. It means nothing to sit in an arcade and thrash people for hours if your goal is to win the Nationals. On that day, Minami Akira was the best player. He was the one who brought his 'A' game and didn't falter when the nerves go up. This doesn't mean that Heruru choked, or Chibita choked, or anyone choked - Minami Akira was better that day. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

i say ringing your own self out, is pretty much choking.

anyhow after watching those videos, all i have to say is that north america needs a better gaming media scene -_-;; , the ladies love bun bun maru, and the unliscensed use of the top gun soundtrack was great.

 

To above poster, yes exactly and thank you!

He is referring to Heruru ringing himself out in the last round of the finals against Minami. And also he (inderectly) ring outed himself against that Kage player in the quarters who used Koen'raku to knock him out of the ring, he chocked.

 

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Saying that Hreruru was at the top of his game was also wrong, if any of you have ever seen him play, he gets these like long winning streaks that take like hours some times to break, not the case of Seg'a World Finals, nearly every match for him was a comeback match.

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Long winning streaks at the local arcade is impressive, but it means nothing when you're facing the absolute best players in the country. Chibita gets long winning streaks also, and we all saw what happened in the tournament. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that Heruru accomplished what he did against two very high-level players (Homestay and Soutaisho) means he was at the top of his game, or very close to it. His match against Homestay was one of the most amazing Lei-Fei matches I've ever seen.

In the end, I think it's clear that Minami was the better player that day. Even when he lost a round, the matches still seemed to be going according to his pace, not the other player's. That's just my opinion though. /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif