Okay, I'm going to break the threads up by character, as is more information pouring out daily. Once the beta testing is done, I'm sure we'll get more info from Sega - so please feel free to put your findings here. Played some more w/ Lion. Started the day off strong w/ a nice 5-win streak, but finished off on a turd, including my Ver. C Lion dropping to 5-dan from this dipshit weenie Lei-Fei. Anyways, I did get to learn a bit about the new moves. /versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif/versus/images/commands/k.gif This is a quick poke. Couldn't tell if it was on hit or counter, but putting in /versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/k.gif/versus/images/commands/k.gif seemed effective. I was going to get the scoop from the source, but the only Sega staff there were people making sure everyone stayed in line. Like campain girls, but not girls, and not pretty. So, what was I to do? The next best thing -- ask Chibita, as he was there, smoking balls as usual. The move I posted before but couldn't figure out is /versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/b.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif. These are really quick hits. It appears to suck the opponent in. However, it doesn't look like the throw is guaranteed afterwards. Once your opponent is used to this combo, simply do /versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/b.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif, then maybe a /versus/images/commands/f.gif/versus/images/commands/b.gif/versus/images/commands/p.gif+/versus/images/commands/k.gif and a throw or something. Chibita could really use all the new moves. Overall Lion seems pretty good. I was able to beat SHU (pretty much the best Shun player) once, which I took as an accomplishment. It was really kewl watching SHU & Chibita fight. The only other Lion items I saw were a pair of sunglasses, but they were quite normal looking -- not like his sports sunglasses. It also appears that Lion has no new throws. Overall, he feels about the same.