VF4 Evolution Pai Thread

The standard after + for Pai is . However, I don't think it's guaranteed. They might be able to get out of it. Makes for nice mind games.

 

Yeah, you've got it right - I had it mixed up /versus/images/icons/smile.gif I confirmed this yesterday as well. It's a no brainer to get out of the DSK after b,f+P+G.

On a similar note, it seems as though it much more difficult to block the DSK after her df+P+G in Evo.

cheers,

 

Most of the moves guides I see still list as a DDT, but it's clearly not! I miss her DDT /versus/images/icons/frown.gif

Oh well, her new low throw is nice...

-Alex

 

Yeah, her DDT was too cool to take away. It was especially cool-looking to hit Wolf with it off the wall of the cage.

 

In an effort to resurrect this thread...

Spotlite and I tested after normal hit + a little while back. As you all know, Pai is at a disadvantage after normal hit quick sweep (-5?). However, will beat an immediate low punch by the opponent, because the low punch will whiff. It will probably beat all high moves also. Unfortunately, will not beat elbows or other mid moves like Lau's , in this situation. Whether or not it will beat low punches in any situation, I don't know.

 

hey, that's pretty useful.... what rewards are there after D,b+P?

 

I'm not too sure, but I think the situation is similar to and , with small advantage/even on normal hit and medium advantage on counter. So, of course, mid/throw guessing game would follow.

Also, after blocked [back], the flipkick that gives medium (small?) advantage on block, I think [back] , will interrupt everything, for great damage. Well, definitely low punches at least.

 

Yes you can, the propery of d+k on MC is basically the same as her + throw. So in this case a low throw is possible.
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Unfortunately, this is not the case. I *wish* it had properties just like Goh's d+K MC into low throw, but it doesn't. Pai is only at +1 when her + hits as a MC. On normal hit, is not that good either at -5. Imo, it's not very useful at all. The back turning aspect would be good if she had more advantage there, but it falls short...I've always thought how nice it would be if it could be cancelled - Pai ShunPuri...

 

Oh OK, thanks Myke. I'm pretty sure we tested in closed stance, since we did it at the beginning of the round. I'm guessing it will avoid low punches in either stance.

 

Agreed that + isn't her strong point...there are better moves to use if you want to poke. A few fun flowcharts can come come out of the back turn though. One I use sometimes is turn around, + (thank god this is mid), and usually you can tack on a + or a similar variant. It probably won't be used too much in an intense match though, but the CPU falls for it all the time.

 

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.. A few fun flowcharts can come come out of the back turn though. One I use sometimes is turn around, + (thank god this is mid),

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Yeah, it's not completely bad, and the blind fighting is nice. Just so you know, you only need to hit to get her TT mid-kick...+ works, but it's not necessary /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Re: Various Followups

I was doing Pai's + and + throws in training mode yesterday with the computer set to block everything and I realised that was blocked everytime. However I realised if you do a after the + throw your opponent will always get hit and you can followup with a for some nifty damage... even to Jeffery. However I seem to see people just do the variant. I wonder why?

Couldn't do much after the + throw though.

 

Re: Various Followups

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I was doing Pai's + and + throws in training mode yesterday with the computer set to block everything and I realised that was blocked everytime. However I realised if you do a after the + throw your opponent will always get hit and you can followup with a for some nifty damage... even to Jeffery. However I seem to see people just do the variant. I wonder why?
Couldn't do much after the + throw though.

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The swallow kicks cannot be blocked if you do them faster. The reason the CPU is blocking them after f,b+P+G is because you're being a bit too slow. Try buffering them in a bit quicker and they'll hit. Doing a K is not a bad option, however the opponent can duck the K if they know you're going to do it - as well as Aoi can reverse the K from behind.

As far as followups to her b,f+P+G are concerned, I almost always do P --> throw. About half the time I'll get lucky and get a back-throw (guaranteed KPK on everyone, btw) which is nice. If the opponent starts to duck the throw or reverses it, I switch to P --> uf+KK.

Don't forget that surprise exchange like throws almost always force the opponent to struggle and guard making them great opportunities to setup a charge attack (bff+P+K or df+PK) for more mind games...


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After the ff+K I notice that FC,f+P will float the opponent even if the opponent is not MC. I wonder if there are other stagger moves that would lead to her FC,f+P to launch without being MC.

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This is a great way to inflict damage, in fact there are a few combos that will total more than 100 points with this kind of setup. Unfortunately, a baby could struggle the ff+K well enough to block the FC,f+P. Bummer, I know, but still something to try from time to time if people get lazy. You can get the same float from her upknife when the opponent staggers or crumples from anything really - bokutai --> P+K, for example.