VF4 General FAQ

Re: VF4 Kage stuff

Is Falling Leaf the official name for the stance? What ever happened to Jumonji (sp)?

Nah, I made "falling leaf" up

Looking at the Japanese movelists (and I don't read Japanese, but I can read the Chinese characters), Kage's stance is Hidden Flowing Leaf - Ten Literary Words, or something like that. Damn it sounds weird when you do a direct translation. =P Jumonji is the Japanese pronunciation of "Ten Literary Words" I guess?

BTW, Kage's b+K is a sabaki as well.

 

Re: VF4 Kage stuff

yes... juumonji is 'ten literary words' or rather 'ten literary characters' ... direct translations are so messed up.

 

Re: VF4 Kage stuff

Jumonji means a cross, you know how the Ten(in Chinese characters) looks like a cross.
And you might notice, in JS, Kage stands with his arms crossed. That's where the name Jumonji is derived, I guess.
And for the Hidden Flowing Leaf, a long long time ago, when ninjas were really active, there were villages where ninjas lived hidden away from the civilization, and those are called Hagakure(HFL).
But I dont know why HFL.

 

Re: lion stuff...

here's some basic stuff for Lion in Ver.B

moves that make opponents stagger(opponent falls with face-down and head close to you)
f,f p
b,f p+k,p,p(f,f p+k in A)-3rd p must be MC
QCB,p,p-either p causes stagger, 1st p sabaki high and mid
b,p+k-able to charge, turns to be mid attack if charged

other stagger moves(opponent falls with face-up and head close to you)
b,d/f p
b,f k+g, d, k

moves that thrust opponent to the ground(untechable)
d/f p,p-connect when MC
p+k

TA notTA moves.
b,f k+g, d, k-TA
b,f k+g, d, p-does not TA
b,f k+g, d/b, p-TA but has same motion with above move
f p+k-TA
f p+k, b-does not TA but crouch, he also kinda steps backward
d/b k+g-TA

throws
p+g-no gound attacks guaranteed
b p+g-ground chop is guaranteed(d/f p)
HCB p+g-pounce is not guaranteed. easy to evade with sideroll
b,f p+g-pounce is not guaranteed, but very hard to evade
f,f p+g-pounce is guaranteed, if you dont techroll
FC,f p+g-pounce, [b,f k+g] or [f,f k,k] guaranteed
I do not know much about catch and wall throws.

Lion has a lot of moves that can make opponents stagger, compared to others.
I think that staggering opponents is very important factor to do good amount of damege for Lion in Ver.B.

 

Re: lion stuff...

FC,f p+g-pounce, [b,f k+g] or [f,f k,k] guaranteed

Maybe I should have asked this before when Rich posted it, but I'm curious. How can f, f+K, K follow FC, f+P+G? Is this an OTB followup?



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Re: lion stuff...

If VF4test was any indication, yeah. f,f+KK was like a replacement for d+KK. However, some situations could be tech-rolled or quick-rised. But since this is a throw coming from Lion, I figure the quick-rise/roll options are dead.

b,f+K+G and f,f+KK were things that Jason Cha would do if I recall. Following the FC throw that is.

Alan, thanks for the post!

-Chanchai

 

Re: lion stuff...

Thanks for the clarification, Chanchai...


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Re: lion stuff...

I think we need to make a clear distinction between KD and the classic stagger. Kuzure Down (KD) = the new special fall-down animation. Stagger = classic *struggle-able* stagger, through elbows and such.

KD doesn't look struggle-able at all (is it?). Saying it's a stagger is extremely misleading, when rigour time can't be reduced and by the fact that it's basically a new fall-down animation.

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Re: lion stuff...

From what I know and since I've tried my very bloody best...KD is currently..to my best knowledge un-struggle-able

I've eaten a few KD moves..struggle like mad..and all I see is my character holding his tummy in pain..then fall flat.

It is a new animation, one I went ' oh wow' when I first saw it~

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Re: lion stuff...

I remember seeing Chibita performing the f, f+K, K as a followup to the Kuzure Down (I think that's it), but not as a throw followup. I'll have another look at the clips.


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Re: lion stuff...

Kuzure Down is unstrugglable and is indeed a knockdown move (I actually think of k.d. as "knockdown").

The f,f+K,K followup after the FC, f+P+G throw is indeed guaranteed because the kicks hit OTB as the throwee's legs kip up.

 

What cheek

The irony. A month ago I was throwing out tons of things on Sarah and you told me to ease off. Sheesh.

Adio.

 

Re: lion stuff...

as Feixaq say, these KDs are un-struggle-able, and it's also un-tech-able(unless you follow up with other moves)
There're three kinds of KDs in VF4, I think.

1. Opponent falls down bending forward with holding his/her stomach animation(e.x. Lion's [f,f p] or Aoi's[b,d/f p]).You can follow up with all kinds of aerial combos or grab them with Lt.

2. Opponent falls down forward like they're fainted(e.x. Lion's [b p+k] or Jeff's[b,f p]).Almost same as above, except that you cannot Lt.

3. Opponent falls down as he turns around, but I'm not sure how to explain.Thesese are caused by the certain low attacks(e.x. Lion's[b,d/f p] or Wolf's[f,d k]).These KDs are also followed by lots of OTB combo.For wrestlers, there's a chance to picking up[d p+g].

 

Re: lion stuff...

What about the Sarah/Jacky Heel Seed/Sword KD animation that slams the opponent into the floor and guarantees a pounce?

Adio.

 

Re: What cheek

Your posts weren't much of use for me... do you think I copied and pasted eg. the whole Myke's post? Nope, I only took a few words (literally). If you post something resourceful, that might find its way to the faq, I'll be grateful - if not, I'm sure other ppl will benefit from your post. Earlier you behaved like someone who's always right, and whose opinion "goes" - if it wasn't your intention, sorry; just a misinterpretation on my side.

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Re: lion stuff...

What about the Sarah/Jacky Heel Seed/Sword KD animation that slams the opponent into the floor and guarantees a pounce?

Like Jacky's b+K+G? That's not a k.d. animation, but a "kip up" animation that allows you to follow up with OTB combos, also untechrollable and unquickrisable.

 

KD staggers... suggested nomeclature

How about calling a "KD", a stun. Stun seems like a very intiutive name for this, because if you're stunned you can't react (hence no struggle or tech).


my 2 cents worth,
kbcat

 

Re: KD staggers... suggested nomeclature

The only problem I can foresee with that is when people start referring to 'block stun' or 'hit stun' frame rates, etc. However, a stun is a stun and clearly the kumure down is a type of stun.

I think in Tekken, or Soul Calibur, they have a similar situation which is referred to a Crumple Stagger. Now, I hate abbreviations taking over discussions as it all ends looking like some sort of spy code that only those familiar with the jargo can read, but maybe 'CS' could work. Or better yet, why not just write 'crumple' ?! When we refer to wall combos, everyone seems to have no trouble writing 'wall' in the middle of combo description, so why not just right 'crumple' ?.
eg: Akira: DE, crumple, m-DbPm.

Kbcat, I see your two cents, and raise you a nickel.

cheers,

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