VF4: sabaki moves

I'd like to include all of those in the FAQ, therefore I'm requesting help of people playing VF4. Don't know what sabaki are? Those are attacks that cannot be interrupted by normal means, they sometimes sweep opponent's attack aside, etc. - a prime example of it is Kage's P+K from jumonji stance.

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I tried lion's QCB+P. doesn't look very useful, infact I THINK I have been jabbed out of it b4. it doesn't look like the kind of move you want to try to often. but I never really used much of it so... anyway, chibita doesn't seem to use it often so why should I.

 

there should be 2 kinds of sabaki, i) inashi type, ii) inashi + attack (as you mentioned, basically an attack ... the new sofgtbank mook put it as "parry and blow", in english)

like akira's b+p+k+g, it is the first type sabaki, parry all opponent's high p, k, plus low p ... therefore some sabaki does work against low attacks

kage's (JS, p+k) will parry and attack high/mid p (inclu. elblow), AND high k ... reverse by mid reversal, b/d+p+k ...

but my question now is for the 1st type sabaki, why AM2 doesn't group/call it as inashi??? someone help me ...

still a lot of unknown usage about this new sabaki system ...
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what is aoi's yin-yang stance classed as?
type 1 (inashi) sabaki? all it does is combine all her inashis from VF3 (which is no small feat because she had the most of any 1 character) i just call it her auto inashi.
maybe its because type 1 sabaki are multiple level inashis so they get special status?

 

Personally, I've been referring to moves that have the DJ-scratch sound as "sabaki", and those that don't as inashi.

e.g. Aoi's yin-yang stance, Pai's f+P+K, Jacky's auto-parry are inashis in my book.
Akira's b+P+K+G is a sabaki (type 1, as per Dickson's post)
Kage's (JS) P+K is a sabaki type 2 (parry and attack)...

P.S. Unless this has been changed in the final version, Kage's b+K (the first hit in b+K,K,K) is a sabaki as well.

 

These are unlike VF3's sabaki where the attack would do all the work.

Could you give me an example of a sabaki attack in VF3? And out of curiousity, were there any in VF1 and VF2?


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wolf's b,f+P and f+P+E, and taka's b,f+P. you could be hit and take damage during certain frames of these attacks, but the attack would still go on. the window was very small.

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If that's what a sabaki is, then Pai's f,b+P,P is also as such, though I wish I knew the frame data. The window for it to eat up the attack seems pretty late, as I often get smacked out of it at the beginning.

 

Just inashi = inashi
Inashi & attack = sabaki

Therefore Akira's b+P+K+G is inashi, Kage's [JM] P+K is sabaki.



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So what are moves that eat up a move (think Juggernaut or Hulk from the Vs. games) referred to?

 

If a move either deflects other move and then hits, or "eats up" a move - it's sabaki. Btw, aren't those vs. games situations you mention the result of respective characters' super armor (eg. MvC2)?



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OK cool, what I meant with the reference was that those characters are able to continue their attack even when getting attacked themselves....you're right it's a result of their super armor properties and not some executed move.

 

Even though it's not sabaki, thought I'd mention the humorous ability Taka has to not get knocked down and occasionally plow through attacks in a similar way. The example that I've heard of - taka sticks out a regular standing high P, and jacky kickflips at the same time. Jacky's kickflip hits the edge of Taka's palm. Because the damage in that situation isn't enough to cause a knockdown on Taka, Jacky will land and do the taunt while Taka is free to stroll forward and ream him.


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Are you just referring to OB Taka or is this Taka overall?

I wish I had more experience using OB Taka, he seems kinda fun from what I tried out whenever I was on a working OB machine.

-Chanchai

 

Dunno? Were any damage formulae changed between OB and TB? I've heard there were a million little changes, I guess it's plausible. Personally, I'd hate to think that it was in OB and eliminated in TB, Take needs the added coolness.

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A lot has changed for Taka in TB. Check out virtua project's OB and TB Taka movelists just to get an idea of how some moves have changed.

As for properties...

Taka's hard as hell to knock down in OB. In fact, when I did play some OB, I pretty much limited my arsenal to attacks that would knock him down (being afraid that doing some moves would leave me open to throws if it didn't knock him down or back a bit). But in TB, he's actually very easy to knock down and as you know, bounce around. Don't know how "flubbery" he was in OB.

As far as I know, he's a completely different character in TB.

-Chanchai

 

It only happens in VF3ob. He follows the same knockdown rules as all the other characters in VF3tb.

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but akira's b+p+k+g is regarded as sabaki in all the 2 mooks ... and also mentioned as sabaki in different vf4 website movelists?!

this is my question ... very confusing

kage's b+k no longer is sabaki (if i have not remembered) but pai's f,b+p is ...