VF4 Shun (and greetings to Danish VF players)

Hi, I'm a Korean-Danish VF'er currently living in Seoul. It's nice to see some old names from VF3 days here. Big hello to Lars, Jan and other Danish players! I was really excited to find your name in this forum, Jan. Det er sgu laenge siden! Hvordan har I haft det?

Currently, there are 2 VF4 test machines in Seoul and although I haven't been playing VF for almost 3 years, I had to try it when I saw those movie clips.

The arcade was hugely crowded, there were at least 10 waiting in line all the time and even more people watching.
Under these circumstances, I could only have around 5 hours of playtime during my 3 visits, so the followings are only very early impression of Shun.
Nevertheless, I got to say that he is so much FUN to play in VF4! And with the shorter recovery times all around, I feel that Shun is much more powerful than before. He's less vulnerable to counter attacks, I mean in VF3, even his side kick could be counter thrown or P,K'ed and he was the slowest to rise up from knock downs. Every character could pounce on Shun as they pleased in VF 3, but thanks to instant recovery in VF 4, he is less vulnerable to these things.

With VF4 having less recovery time, the gameplay is sped up greatly and I think it's a good thing. It rewards aggresive playing style and the mind game, reading opponent is very important. I mean, the defender still has a small advantage frame-wise, but both characters are pretty much on even ground as nothing seems guaranteed in most cases.

I don't know how it is in the version B, but in the test version, Shun is a big damage character! Even a normal hit by chouwan generates high floats and I managed to chouwan -> 3 knuckles-hip check combo (f+P,P,P,K) which took about 40% damage???
This juggle was also possible from mule kick (u+K+G) and chouwan-back fist. Another crazy combo is
chouwan-backfist -> uppercut-thrust punch-sacrifice toe kick (d/f+P, P+K, K), which took like 60%. Crazy stuff. His uppercut, lunging punch, sliding uppercut... they all float way higher in VF 4 for some fun juggle combos.
His thrust punch-sacrifice kick attack (P+K, K) has been improved greatly and is now a very important move for Shun I think. After the sacrifice kick, he can go into the handstand mode by tapping P+K+G which brings him very close to the opponent. Seeing shun on handstand so close, the opponent often doesn't know what to do. Any attacks will be interrupted by his handstand kick because of the close range.
I had fun conditioning the opponent to block when I go into the handstand mode from the sacrifice kick and then catch throw him
Drinking animation is much faster in VF4, when you win a round, you have time enough to drink 3 - 4 times!
Because of the much shorter recovery time, drinking itself is a great flowcharts starter now. I'm not sure, but I think Shun did more damage when he was drunk like in VF2? Could some one please clarify this for me? Low back push (db+P) knocked down the opponent several times.

Throwing is difficult in VF4 because of the execution time and shorter recovery times of attack moves. I hear that double command throw escape is possible in VF4 which is a bad thing for Shun. And God, I hope it's only in the test version, but his turn-over throw doesn't guarantee chouwan anymore??? The opponent was able to crouch dash away from my chouwan... --;

Ok, I will write more another time. I'm going to visit the other arcade tomorrow where Akira Kid and IgeLau are supposed to play. Hmm...

- Kinam

 

Good to hear from you! You are the infamous Ki Nam, back from wherever, eh?

The three Shuns I mostly heard of:
-Mutant
-Nelson
-and Ki Nam!

Of course I heard great stuff of Jo Shun's Shun as well.

In any case, just thought I would give you a greeting (though I am not at all Danish), been hoping you might resurface eventually/versus/images/icons/smile.gif

I had a real blast playing as Shun the first day I played the VF4 Test version that was at Sunnyvale Golfland (San Jose, California). It felt like Shun's most notorious moves were even more dangerous under the system of the VF4 Test. That in addition to other things you have mentioned and a bunch of other moves. I didn't get a good sample time, but I at least managed a few Shun streaks (not that that's saying much) and saw some pretty scary things with Shun and felt like just about nothing got worse except for the loss of some aspects of his play (his SE game seemed toned down--if you could even call it a "game" in VF3). His dodging aerial kicks (butterfly kicks, dodge attack, whatever you want to call it) were pretty evil, his chouwan notorious, he was scary (visually and play wise) when he would become totally red (you could've sworn he was suffering alchohol poisoning), his low kick, etc.... Shun was indeed fun as hell for me to play him aggressively as well as semi-passively (zoning).

Definitely look forward to Shun in the "US" version (praying it's the final version--Sega of America probably doesn't care what version they give us; don't know about Sega Europe).

-Chanchai

 

Find out what the Koreans think of VF4, please! thanks.

 

Hey, speaking of Danish players, do you know/remember a guy named Lars Sorensen?

I hear he's in the states in Chicago now.


/versus/images/icons/mad.gif<font color=red>~~~ Don't make me rape you with a sharp stick ~~~/versus/images/icons/mad.gif<font color=red>

 

Hello again. Of course I know this guy named Lars Sorensen! Wasn't in touch with him for the last three years though. Does he still play VF? Creed, please give my regards to him if you are still in touch with him.

I was at Sinchon yesterday where the top Korean players were supposed to hang out. I had a blast playing with many skillful players. The competition level is really high and you learn a lot by just watching.
The nr. 2 from the world tournament, IgeLau was there, he played a suffocating Lau, constantly pressing the opponent. He quickly read the opponent's play style and varied his tactics accordingly.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to see Akira Kid though. Of course, he isn't a 'kid' anymore, being a university student and all. He is using Lei-Fei now and no one has any clue as to how to beat him I heard. One guy told me that when he plays Lei Fei, it's like watching a shaolin kungfu movie. A shame I didn't get to see that.

Most players are happy with VF4, they like the fact that it has got the VF2 feel to it and the faster, more dynamic and fluent gameplay.

But they also hope that the final version is more balanced. Most notorious are the dodging attacks. Akira's evading bodycheck (b,f+P+K+E in VF3) is ridiculously strong as it seems to come out faster than any attacks that track evading moves. It can even evade a low punch from a close range. So when an Akira player expects any attack at all from the opponent after a blocked dashing elbow for example, he can just do the dodging attack, reversing is totally unneccessary in the test version... Very abusive and annoying. Shun's dodging attack is very strong as well, it does good damage, has long reach, but at least, it comes out slower than Akira's. I really hope it is changed in the final version.
Another thing is air combos... Some players complain that the longer air combos do too much damage, but I don't know... I think it's fun with longer combos, but I do agree that the damage level should be adjusted.
The rumor has it that the final version will be introduced to Korea at the end of September. Because of the high price of the game, the arcade owners plan to buy board only, without the card system. No VF-net for Korean players...

- Kinam

 

that is very cool report, KNK. pleas keep update.

 

OMG! Mr. Kwon!

Længe siden indeed!

We've been searching for you all over since you dissapeared three years ago. I think I tracked down your address and phone number, but you never replied - obviously, since you're on the other side of the world!

There's only Wiqas and myself left here, and we've finally given up on VF3. We had one last bout of it with 7 londerners who came over - many of them you'd recognize from the London showdown, incl. Ryan, Hatim and Roy. Wish you could have been here; you and your overpowering VF3 Shun were sorely missed.

We're basically chillin' in regards to VF now, and yearning for VF4. Still no definate word from the two arcades here in Copenhagen, but I'm crossing my fingers.

Will you be coming back to denmark any time soon?

- Jan

 

Sup knk[remember me?? i wooped' your arse in Tekken tag in scala about cristmas time=)] and yo to Jan!!, anyways VF4 in dk?? hmm.. don't think so, scala is closing down, funhouse is now "baren" and thats about all the arcades we have in cph, but then again VF4 is coming for the PS2 soon!!=)

 

Chucky,
I have been mailing and talking to employees of DGA elite (a Danish Derga distributor). They promised a VF4 machine in the Copenhagen area as soon as the machine releases in EU. If the funhouse no longer is an arcade there's only Olsen left. They will be moving into a new venue in the cellar of the Scala building and of september/start of october. Olsen is NOT closing down.
I mailed DGA as late as this week to ask if they had any news regarding the release date, they didn't know the date yet. If they no longer had plans to get it, I'm sure they'd have told me in the mail.

 

It's really nice to hear from you all! Jan, I will definetely come to Denmark on vacation next year. It should be around August, I think.
How about you guys come to Korea??? Now that there is a good chance Denmark qualifies to the world cup 2002 in Korea/Japan, wouldn't you come to Korea and cheer on the Danish soccer team? And of course, play VF4 with some of the world's best players as well. Sounds like a great idea to me

The rumor about the test machines in Korea being illegally imported was false. They were officially imported for the test purpose. The machines were withdrawn 5 - 6 days ago and the official version of VF4 (version B hopefully!) should be released on Sept. 20 in Korea. That day cannot come too soon!

- Ki-Nam

P.S. Chucky, I don't remember anyone wooped my arse in TTT in Scala? Are you the guy with glasses called Thomas?

 

NO!! im am NOT thomas!!

 

Oh Chucky, another thing.
The VF4 machine will either be in Olsen or the Q-zar Funhouse in Glostrup (where we had the VF3 weekend a couple of months back).
I first thought you were talking about that arcade but you were in fact referring to the old funhouse arcade in the centre at the Palads cinema (big doh to me ) that is no more, unfortunately (stupid "reality" TV shows, bleh!)
I'll mail DGA again later today to find out if they have some news. At least they are repsonding to mails swiftly, unlike Sega Europe's arcade devision, who have ignored two of my mails so far. Bunch of monkeys, almost all of them at Sega Europe!

 

Ok!! I just hope VF4 will be in Glostrup, and not scala, i think the new "olsen's" in the basement of scala's gonna suck!! Btw KNK, can't you get a T4 machine as well=)