VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

A. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif ->

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (43-50pts)
2. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif ->/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (45pts) *I think the black book missed an additional /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif here.
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (57-62 pts)
5. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
6. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (50 pts)

1[/size] is the standard combo for all weights in close stance. It does 43 points on all except Wolf and Jeffrey. Against Jeffrey, delay the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif slightly before doing the shoulderram to net 50pts instead of 43.

2[/size] is the standard combo for all weights in open stance. Against Wolf, you need to waste 1 frame by doing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for the combo to connect. You may do a ground punch afterwards if opponent fails to techroll.


3[/size] in the black book is supposedly for light weights & Brad in close stance but I can never get the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to hit at all. I think it may be a typo error cos combo 4[/size] works instead. Against Pai, you need to half charge the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to refloat Pai high enough for the shoulderram to connect for 60-62 pts. Works also on Kage/Goh for 58pts, Leifei for 51 pts and Lion for 57 pts. Replace the finishing shoulderram with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif against Brad for 1 pts less damage.

5[/size] in the black book works for Aoi, El Blaze, Pai, Leifei in open stance and Shun in either stance but I only manage to get it to work on El Blaze. Instead I do 6[/size] in either stance for middle weights(minus Brad, Lion and Kage) up to Shun.

For /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hitting on MC, add another 9 pts of damage.


B. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(MC) ->

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (51pts)
2. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (53-67pts)
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (58pts)
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (63pts)
5. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (59pts)
6. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (62pts)
7. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (58pts)

1[/size] is the standard combo for all weight class in close stance. You will need to be close to your opponent in order for it to connect. Even it misses and your opponent techrolls, you will still be safe.

2[/size] is the standard combo for lightweights except Pai/Eileen with Goh starting from open stance. For Vanessa/Sarah/Aoi you can add another /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif after the standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for a total for 67/67/62pts. For Pai/Eileen do combo 5[/size] instead.

For midweights with Goh needs to start from close stance. Its important to check that the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hits before buffering the shoulderram as if you miss and your opponent techrolls, you are in big disadvantage. It does 67pts for El Blaze, Akira and Lau, 60 for Brad, 53 pts for Jacky, Lion and Leifei. For Goh, Kage and Shun you need to be really close when your /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif hits for the combo to connect for 60-67pts else do the easier combo 3[/size] for these 3 characters.

4[/size] is the standard combo for all lightweights with Goh starting in close stance.

6[/size] is the combo for Jacky, Lion and Leifei with Goh starting from close stance. A small pounce may be done if your opponent fails to techroll.

7[/size] is the combo for Wolf and Jeffrey with Goh starting from close stance. A small pounce may be done if your opponent fails to techroll.


C. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (MC)

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (71pts)
2. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (78pts)
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(88pts)
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (90pts)
5. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (100pts)
6. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif(83pts)
7. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(72pts)
8. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (77pts)
9. Basara* (96pts)

1[/size] & 2[/size] is the standard combo for all weight class in either stance. For combo 2[/size], delay the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif in order for the whole string to connect.

For 3[/size], 4[/size] and 5[/size], after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif do a full forward dash and execute the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

[b]3[/b][/size] works on all lightweights and middle weights in either stance except for Shun and Akira which has to be from close stance.

[color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] is an open stance combo that the black book says is only for lightweights. So far I have manage to get it to work on Leifei, Lion, Vanessa and Aoi. It works on Brad/Kage/Lau but has to end off with shoulderram rather than [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] for 86pts.

[color=#FF6600][b]5[/b][/size] is also an open stance combo for light weights but I have only manage to pull it off on Aoi(100pts) and Eileen(95pts).

*For [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size], [color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] and [color=#FF6600][b]5[/b][/size], after [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img], do a full crouch dash or forward dash before executing the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img].

[color=#FF6600][b]6[/b][/size],[color=#FF6600][b]7[/b][/size] and [color=#FF6600][b]8[/b][/size] requires an Offensive Movement to your opponent's back.

[color=#FF6600][b]6[/b][/size] works only everyone except Jacky, Jeffrey and Wolf.

[color=#FF6600][b]7[/b][/size] works on Jack and Wolf but you need to delay the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] by one frame ([img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]) to refloat them for the shoulderram to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]8[/b][/size] works on Jeffrey only but again you need to delay the second high [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] by one frame ([img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]) to refloat them for the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]9[/b][/size] is not in the black book but something I would like to share. Although it is stated that [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+ [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] gives +19 on MC, if you are able to connect the last hit frames of [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] by doing it early (eg, while opponent goes for an OM attack, after opponent techrolls/quickrise etc..etcc), a Basara is guaranteed netting a total of 96 pts for all weights.

If you are able to MC opponent at [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img]'s maximum range, Basara is guaranteed too.


[b]D[/b]. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (MC)

1. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (57pts)
2. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (62pts)
3. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (63pts)
4. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (70pts)

[color=#FF6600][b]1[/b][/size] is the standard combo for all weights and either stance without any regards to distance.

[color=#FF6600][b]2[/b][/size] works on everyone with Wolf in open stance, Shun/El Blaze in close stance. Use [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] instead on Wolf and Jeffrey without any stance requirements and is 1 pt more than 2. Has to be in close range for the combo to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] works on everyone in either stance except Akira, El Blaze, Kage and Shun. Has to be in close range for the combo to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] is for light weights and mid weights up to Lion in either stance but won't connect on Shun, Kage and El Blaze. Has to be in close range for the combo to connect.


[b]E.[/b] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (Normal hit)

1. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (59pts)
2. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]-> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (55pts)
3. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (54pts)
4. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (61-66pts)
5. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (60pts)

[color=#FF6600][b]1[/b][/size] to [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] works on all weights and stances. Although the black book listed all 3 combos, personally you should always go for [color=#FF6600][b]1[/b][/size] as it has the highest damage and fastest recovery. Go for [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] or [color=#FF6600][b]5[/b][/size] when your opponent is weak in techrolls/quickrises again slam combos and you may add an additional small pounce.

[color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] works on light and middle weights up to Jacky in either stance. Works for Akira, Goh, Shun and Lion only in open stance. For this 4 characters, you may do [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] instead for 55-61pts.

[color=#FF6600][b]5[/b][/size] is a strictly open stance combo working up to Wolf. From Goh onwards to Wolf, a 1 frame delay([img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]) is required before [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] is executed. For Jacky, a 1 frame delay([img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]) is required before [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] is executed. It doesn't work on Kage and Shun.

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (MC)

6. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (71pts)
7. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (77pts)
8. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (72-77pts)
9. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (68-79pts)
10. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (74pts)
11. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (75-80pts)
12. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (77pts)
13. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (81-85pts)

[color=#FF6600][b]6[/b][/size] is a beginner's combo as it will work in either stance up to Akira. For some reason, even if you just do a single [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] before the new 3 hit string, the damage is still 71pts.

[color=#FF6600][b]7[/b][/size] is a light weights only combo and will work in either stance. Against Pai in open stance, the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] must MC hit a little distance away inorder for the new 3 hit to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]8[/b][/size] works up to Wolf. It works in either stance except for Lau(close stance) and Wolf(open stance). Depending on stance and weight, the damage ranges from 72-77pts.

[color=#FF6600][b]9[/b][/size] works up to Akira but misses in open stance for Shun, Kage, Vanessa, Sarah, Aoi and Eileen. Depending on stance and weight, the damage ranges from 68-79pts.

[color=#FF6600][b]10[/b][/size] is a close stance only combo that works up to Sarah. It's harder to work on Sarah as your command input has to be perfect with no delays.

[color=#FF6600][b]11[/b][/size] will work in either stance for all lightweights and middleweights up to Lau minus Lion. In open stance for El blaze, Goh, Brad, Leifei, Kage, Shun, Lau, [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] has to MC hit from a distance away in order for the combo to work. Works only in close stance for Lion(80pts), Jacky(69pts) and Akira(80pts). For Kage in close stance, hold at 2nd [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img] of [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] so that you will crouch dash slightly before executing the finishing move, else it would miss.

[color=#FF6600][b]12[/b][/size] works in any stance and any weight class.

[color=#FF6600][b]13[/b][/size] works in any stance for all lightweights and middleweights up to Shun. It works for Lau in close stance but [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] has to hit from a distance away.


[b]F.[/b] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (MC)

1. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (61pts)
2. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (65-71pts)
3. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (72-80pts)
4. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (74-82pts)

[color=#FF6600][b]1[/b][/size] works on all weight and both stance.

[color=#FF6600][b]2[/b][/size], [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] and [color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] are refloat combos. [color=#FF6600][b]2[/b][/size] will work on everyone. [color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] and [color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] works up to Wolf. You will need to delay the standing [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] by a few frames by doing [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] inorder to get the refloat. All 3 combos' damages work differently on different characters with heavier ones taking more. Against Akira in open stance, delay the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] by doing [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]neutral[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] instead.


[b]G.[/b] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (Normal hit)

1. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (48pts)
2. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] (49pts)
3. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (57pts)
4. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (56pts)
5. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] -> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (55pts)
6. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif[/img][img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img],[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] (54pts)

[color=#FF6600][b]1[/b][/size] and [color=#FF6600][b]2[/b][/size] are simple combos that will work on both stance and all weight class. For [color=#FF6600][b]2[/b][/size], delay the [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] a little to get the refloat for the shoulderram to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]3[/b][/size] is a combo that will work in either stance against Lau, Lion, Leifei, Vannessa and Brad. You will need to delay the first standing [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] to get a refloat in order for the rest of the combo to connect.

[color=#FF6600][b]4[/b][/size] is for Jacky, Wolf and Jeffrey. You will need to delay the standing [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img] again. A small pounce is guaranteed if opponent fails to techroll/quickrise.

[color=#FF6600][b]5[/b][/size] is for all lightweights. A small pounce is guaranteed if opponent fails to techroll/quickrise.

[color=#FF6600][b]6[/b][/size] is for El Blaze in open stance. A small pounce is guaranteed if opponent fails to techroll/quickrise.

For [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif[/img]+[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif[/img] hitting on MC, add another 11pts of damage.[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

Friggin' awesome post Danny. The knee > basara was completely new and very helpful.

 

Indeed, MC knee > Basara sounds like fun.
Imagine the face of the opponent.
W.T.F.?!

Combo C-5 made my eyes go wide, the fact you only managed to get it off on Aoi isn't that weird I'd think.

 

H. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif (Normal hit)
*The black book totally left out explaining how the combos work for this section.

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (54pts)
2.* /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif-> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (55-60pts)
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (68pts)
5. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (72pts)
6. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (67pts)
7. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (69pts)
8. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (72pts)

1[/size] works on both stances for all characters.

I can't get 2[/size] to work. However, if I leave out the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, I can do a 57pt combo for all characters.

3[/size] works on both stances for all characters. It does 60pts for both Wolf and Jeffrey and 55pts for the rest.

4[/size] works on both stances for all characters.

5[/size] is not in the black book. It does 4 pts more than 4[/size] and works in either stance on all characters with Goh recovering at the same time.

6[/size] works on Sarah, Lei fei, Wolf and Jeffrey in both stances, Vanessa, Brad, Lion in close stance, Lau in open stance.

7[/size] and 8[/size] is not in the black book and only work for Shun in either stance.

For /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif on MC hit, add another 11pts of damage.


I. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
*Although it's unescapable now, the damage potential has been seriously reduced from FT.

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (45pts)
2. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (47-52pts)
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (63pts)
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (53pts)

1[/size] the basic combo for all characters.

2[/size] is for all light weights and middle weights up to Akira. The damage fluctuates differently on the heavier characters.

3[/size] is for all lightweights plus El Blaze and has highest damage.

4[/size] is only for El Blaze and Aoi. For El Blaze, do it rightaway. For Aoi, a 1 frame delay is required.


J. Wall Combos

1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (opponent's back against wall) (60pts)
2. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (Goh's back against wall) (60pts)
3. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(Wall hit) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (opponent's back against wall) (80pts)
4. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(Wall hit) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif OR any ground attacks (86-97pts)

1[/size] and 2[/size] are basic wall combos from throws.

3[/size] and 4[/size] are Goh's wall combos from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif with 3[/size] being harder to struggle out as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif comes out 2 frames faster than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. The actual 4[/size] in the black book is '/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(Wall hit) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> any ground attacks' but the opponent is able to techroll/quickrise after the 2nd shoulderram. If your opponent fails to techroll/quickrise after the 2nd shoulderram, a ground throw is guaranteed increasing the total damage to 112pts on a normal /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif hit.

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Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

0-O wtf happened to his damage?! I don't remember it being this good...

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

Good God. Thanks for translating this, Danny. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I'd like to throw this one out, it seemed to work pretty well against El Blaze and Lei Fei:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

I just stumbled across this yesterday, and it seemed to do pretty good damage. I'll try it in dojo to see what the actual damage count is.

 

The danger is that opponents can QR/TR the second hit of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, so it's not a "true" combo. One way you can mitigate that is to stop at the first hit, hit-check to see if the opponent did QR/TR, then go onto the second hit or go for a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif ground punch instead.

In Evo/FT Goh could go for a ground throw, but sadly the opponent's recovery has been sped up so that it's no longer practical to go for one even when the opponent does not QR/TR.

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

Translating and fine tuning some parts of the Black Book like this actually helps me to remember the different combos, stance requirements against all 17 characters. Something Myke has asked me to do for Akira a looOng time ago but than again Akira feels so boring in 5.

In fact, I've even found better combos than some of the ones in the black book.

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

Jeff, try out F. combos 2[/size], 3[/size], and 4[/size].

The refloated is incredible.

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

So hard at work , bro!

 

Wow, really impressive. Thanks a lot, Danny!

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

You should do the same for Wolf bro. It'll help you and everyone. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

I tried to combine all 3 parts together in a single post but half of it goes missing.

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

haha

no no, Jacky!

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

Thanks Danny, I hadn't noticed that you updated your first post. Good stuff. Goh combos seem like such a headache -- special combos for different stances on normal/counter hit on specific characters!

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

great job Danny!

you give the rest of us something to aspire to!

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

A nice combo that I've found to work subject to conditions is:

Stomach crumble (either 1p+k, sabaki 46k, or the little punch after a k+g) -> 4p+k -> k.

It does good damage but I'm not sure what stances and weights it works for. I think it's closed stance with light characters but it may be more.

 

Re: VF5 Goh's Black Book combos & other stuff

i was inspired by your Akira's black book combos! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif