VF5 Live Arena Top Players Interview

Damn, my secret has been discovered - and i thought i was the only one who was taking advantage of lion's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif becoming "safe" due to latency issues /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Thank you for the translation and editing - nice to finally read what the top/japanese players think of the online implementation /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbs_up.gif

 

they have monthly off. tournies wow lucky jap's!!!

 

*Grumbles*

/me Knew...

 

It's good to hear these things from top players. Makes me feel better when I bitch about certain situations haha.

Was a good read.

 

Good read.

I totally agree with them but at the same time I read this thinking to myself...these are top players who can play offline anytime they wish. The fact that most of us don't live in japan or have any arcades around means that we have to deal with frame of lag because it's better than nothing.

If there's one thing i've learned over the years.. it's that adjusting from online to offline is easy, but not so much visa versa. If we're able to have nice execution online then the adjustment to play offline, whenever that time comes, will be a much easier transition.

Hopefully everyone agrees.

 

man, i through i was the only one that noticed this heavy feeling while playing on line. it feels like i'm playing a modded verison of like vf2... well input wise

 

very nice read

 

Thanks for translation.

I want to point out, that in Japan, those guys have obscenely good internet connection, and they are mostly playing nearby opponents there. If they experience slight lag, then its multiplied tenfold or more over here in the rest of the world, especially when playing international opponents.

 

You believe that online games have nearly 10+ frame loss? Thats a ridiculous estimate. International matches, sure, but US coast to coast, thats not right at all. Not to say there haven't been games with extreme lag that you speak of, but consistently?

I would like to mention that its GREAT to see top level players supporting online play and not spitting garbage about how it will effect low-high tier players. Even with the admitted 1-3f loss in a game they mention how good it can be for players to practice and learn more.

Lets not forget what Fuudo says towards the end, basically debunking all the statement from the online haters on these forums. If you didn't read it let me sum it up... If you play online your basically preparing yourself to do better in the Arcades.... Read that twice if necessary.




thanks for translation!

 

Fudo's not going to say it's crap when he's been given a sweet gig like that, take these interviews with a pinch of salt.

 

This is actually an encouraging statement about online!

Since I have PS3 I haven't had the opportunity to see how VF plays online. I could only follow the discussion on the posts, but if these two guys who are top tier and top of their game can
basically deal with the lag (with some minor annoyances),

Then my low (no) tier, pad using play shouldn't have any problems
at all. Bring online to PS3! Whoopeeeeee!

Thanx for the interview. This should be requried reading for all of those who complain too much about lag.

 

I think they put it perfectly... The lag is there but it's very slight and does not impact the game in any major way... VF5's online, and now SC4 are both very good and add so much value to the titles...

The online mode is the best place to test your skills and have great, fun games period. We don't have arcades anymore, we have online, that's it. Let's make the best of it.

 

One thing you guys need to keep in mind that the U.S. doesnt have anything remotely close to Japans internet speed due to companies like at&t and such regulating what they think we should be allowed to have. I also did play vf5 live arena on XBL there and almost all my matches were 4 green bars, something I rarely see over here.

 

10 frames would be 160ms. I'm close to the middle of the us, and my ping times to either coast are at best 60-70ms, usually more like 100ms. 160ms coast to coast doesn't sound ridiculous to me at all; it's a little high, but certainly not by a factor of 10. Playing in the us you're going to get closer to 10 frames of lag than to 1 frame of lag.

 

I beg to differ. I'd like to point out this excerpt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are two top players, does a little lag affect your gameplay?
Fuudo: If you play in the arcade (offline) and understand the VF5 system well, then you will notice, and might be bothered by, the lag. Especially with things like Just Ukemi, Guaranteed Counters and Combos, etc.
Koedo: The countering is very tight. At the end of the movie you see I blocked Lion's but my standing counter didn't make it in time. Since /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is -12, and Kage's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is 11f, it should have been guaranteed to connect.
Aniaki: Looking at the last scene, Koedo guarded then pressed several times, I immediately thought "Koedo won". But the counter attack failed and lost him the match.
...
Koedo: Honestly, there's always going to be a bit of lag. But top players will find this annoying (laugh).
Aniaki: VF5's system is very detailed and frame specific. Like Just Ukemi's command input, if you mash it you'll gain more damage...
Koedo: There are a lot of details like that, and people who play in the arcade (offline) will definitely get annoyed by the lag. Just looking at your own character and it's moves, there's no real problem. But when you look at your opponent, naturally, it's necessary to correspond (or react) to their actions. If the frames are severe, then... lag (laugh).</div></div>
I'm not connoting that I'm a top player but I get annoyed with lag when I play online for the very same reasons I've highlighted.

I've missed guaranteed counters, hit throws and combos all the time due to lag and yes I can say that it has cost me matches I might have won.

Realizing these factors I don't take online play too seriously and I hardly play online anymore. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

Not for nothing I've had some great online experiences and I think its wonderful that its available. If anything I guess I can blame my online service as to why one day my connections are great and other days its not so good.

To end off I'd like to quote Sudden Death's sig.
"The lag will be with you. Always!"

 

can't find some Aniaki vidz can someone give some link of this player? (very curious about this guys who's playing since 13 years)

 

From what I heard he doesn't really participate much at major arcade scenes. He kind of hides out at a small local arcade in his area. AniAKi is definitely a super strong Akira player and used to be one of my favorites during the VF4 ver. C & VF4 EVO days. Like most VF players his age(over 30 I believe) I assume they kind of feel they have to move on and be a little more serious about life. They can't just hang out in arcades all the time. I am sure this is why he is staying low key, but for the love of the series he still gets a few games in from time to time.

If you check youtube you should be able to find tons of VF4 clips of him. It's probably not what you are looking for, but at least you can get an idea of his play style. He can be a pretty aggressive fucker.

 

Ok konjou thanks for advice, I'm interessted by vf4 too (first vf in my life ^^).I have another question (the last I swear): are the old school player (of vf4, evo and ft) dissapointed by vf5?It seems like a few good player don't play anymore..