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VF5 Ver.C Jeffry Command List

Discussion in 'Jeffry' started by Myke, Dec 16, 2007.

  1. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

    PSN:
    Myke623
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    VF5 Ver.C Jeffry Command List

    The Xbox 360 port is based on Version C.

    The summary of Ver.C changes, from akai's thread:

    Jeffry
    X | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif | ??slam combo properties changed??
    X | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif | ??slam combo properties changed??
    O | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif | -8(-1) on Guard(Crouch Guard)
    X | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif | Delay of second P is guaranteed to hit
    O | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif | -4 on Guard
    O | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif | +8 on Counter
    X | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif | ??
    O | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif | 50 frames total, -9 on Guard
    O | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif | 22 frames exe, 49 frames total, +1 on Guard, +8 on Hit, +11 on Counter
    X | (opponent crouch) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif | ??recovery after throw is easier??
    O | (opponent airborne) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif | Damage increase to 25
    X | (opponenet down) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif | camera modification only
    X | /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif | camera modification only

    O = change applies to command list data
    X = change does not apply to command list data

    If you find any corrections, or wish to discuss the command list, then post in this thread.
     
    Myke, Dec 16, 2007
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  2. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

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    codiak
    Thanks myke!

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif got a damage reduction to go along with its better guard frames, which is reflected in the updated command list.

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif got better guard frames, but it also pushes back a lot less (ver b wasnt really throwable despite being -7 or whatever)

    I'm really confused about the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif . . . the delay between the 2 punches is exactly the same between Ps3 and Xbox360 versions (you have 23 frames from the first P to tap the second one, which also IMHO means the move is not hit-checkable, just hit-predictable).
    Is the point that in old version, max delay might not connect as a combo on normal hit?

    If anybody knows what the deal with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif string changes is either, I'd be curious.
     
    KoD, Dec 17, 2007
    #2
  3. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Basically what you have written, the window for inputting the second /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif has not been changed from version B to C. I think the way opponent "float" after the first punch connects has been slightly altered such that a delayed second punch will connect in version C.

    I think it is hit-checkable, but difficult (You have 18 frames to input elbow or something, after blocking a low punch. It is difficult but is doable...so 23 frames to input the second P is doable after making sure the first hit connects).
     
    akai, Dec 17, 2007
    #3
  4. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

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    codiak
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was pretty disappointed, thought it was going to be true delay-able like dashing elbow or something.

    Yeah, a 23 frame window would be doable. But its 23 frames total between pushing the 2 punch buttons. 16 frames of that passes before the first punch is in hit detection. Means 7 (or 8, dunno how the display in training really counts it ) frames to see the hit & decide to push the second P. I think limit of human reaction time is about 10 frames.

    There are lots of moves that seem like they can only be hit "checked" by throwing the move out, then checking to see if the opponent twitched, not actually waiting for the hit.
     
    KoD, Dec 17, 2007
    #4
  5. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Akai JC
    Oh ok, I misunderstood what you mean by the 23 frames.

    7-8 frames is definitely out of my reaction speed. When I am fully alert, it takes me 12-15 frames to react to something.
     
    akai, Dec 17, 2007
    #5
  6. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the analysis guys -- confirmed what I felt when I finally played Version C. ("Is /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif really supposed to be hit checkable or am I getting old??")
     
    ice-9, Dec 19, 2007
    #6
  7. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is -1 on guard?
    But when I go to training mode and set the cpu Jeff to guard and counterattack with a mid I always beat out the cpu's 6P with my 6P?

    and I get 20DMG not 25 when i use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
     
    KtotheG, Jan 13, 2008
    #7
  8. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    Are you using ps3 (version b) or xbox360 (version c) ?
     
    KoD, Jan 13, 2008
    #8
  9. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    360
     
    KtotheG, Jan 13, 2008
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  10. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Akai_JC
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    Akai JC
    For /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, you are right, it is not -1 on guard. It should be +1. Thanks, it will be changed in the next command list update.

    As for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, I am able to get 25 damage from it. When you use it, is it in a 2 or more hit combo?
     
    akai, Jan 13, 2008
    #10
  11. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    oh, akai you are right. I was basing it on the damage I get when I use it in the standard light-heavy 6K combo, which is 20.

    to get 25, do i set cpu to jump and do it then?
     
    KtotheG, Jan 13, 2008
    #11
  12. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Strangely, when you try to throw a jumping opponent it does not work, it must be opponent is falling in midair.

    I got 25 damage by either:

    1. CPU set to jump, I /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif to hit them, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

    or

    2. Hit opponent with either /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.
     
    akai, Jan 13, 2008
    #12
  13. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    ok, ill try that later today
     
    KtotheG, Jan 13, 2008
    #13
  14. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    Huh, that's pretty weird about /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, tried it & i can beat /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif consistently. Thanks for noticing.

    I definitely get 57 points of damage ( 32 + 25) from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
     
    KoD, Jan 13, 2008
    #14
  15. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    Oh I see, I did this today and got the same. Before I was basing it on /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
     
    KtotheG, Jan 15, 2008
    #15
  16. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    Corrected side throw escape column of Jeffry's Only One Buster side throw (based on posts in the recent Side Throw Escape Video Tutorial topic)
     
    akai, Jun 15, 2009
    #16

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