VF5FS Sarah: Making foos run home for momma!

Interesting thing at 2:56 of this Sarah vs Sarah match.....

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One of the Sarah's ends the 4th round with 3kk,FL7k. Is it just me or is that transition so damn fast you don't even see the kcancel into FL? Almost looks like it doesn't cancel at all and goes straight into the somersault. Makes you wonder if there are faster FL cancels like before with her 4k+g cancels from VF4.

 

Firstly the somersault is FL instead of , secondly, thats not , imo its canceled into flamingo and then flipkick. Theres no second kick, thats why it looks fast.

 

Already posted that video in the vf5fs vid thread but, I noticed the quick cancel, I also thought the 5th round was tremendous.

 

Actually that is because it was changed from from 5 vanilla to 5R if you check the movelist that was put out for R awhile back. Also I know it was a cancel. In fact I SAID IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOESN'T CANCEL AT ALL.

The thing is usually there's been a delay after the 2nd kick cancels. Maybe a couple frames but there's been a delay. At the vid that was shown it was damn near immediate. Not delay at all. It looked like a string instead of a cancel into another move.

 

The jackknife cancel is there, and it looks like the same speed as it has been since it's been added. The difference is that that somersault has been a very fast move out of flamingo.

I think you're just seeing things imo.

 

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Why you even linking that?

It's not even a discovery, the match videos on the VF5 disc, the Sarah player was using silent entry flamingo.

Guy that made the video acted like he struck gold, but if he turned to the left he'd see a pile of it shinning in the sunlight.

 

I just saw people talking Flamingo cancels. Figured it would have been somewhat related.

 

Nah, it's cool. The flamingo cancel mentioned in thread is based on some new cancels Sarah was buffed with in R onwards.

In vanilla she could just jackknife and delay the 2nd part, but in R onwards she can still do that, aswell as flamingo cancel the 2nd hit and it works good for mixups. Something she should have always had.

 

I think this guy was Skatan Millia when he first introduced himself to VFDC. You guys are welcome to correct me if I am wrong but I think it is his actually

 

Yeah, it was him. Nobody said it was anyone else.

 

Props to SkatanMilla, but that was simply an example of fastest speed cancel. You can cancel moves with more than one timing.

 

You don't have to do it following a move, you can just enter flamingo that fast, empty with no preceding move.

 

VF5FS

Sarah's Movelist

P/6_P
PP
PPP 6 goes into flamingo slide(new stance)
PPPK hhhm
PPP8K hhhh goes to FL
PPP4/7K hhhm
PPK hhh
PK
P4K hm
6P
6PP mh still sobers 1
6PK m.sm
6P4K mh FL or P+K+G to step
4P(strings) same as before still sobers 1 off of 4P and another off of 4PKK+G
44P
2P
3P sober 1
3PP hm (I love this move!)
3PK FL or P+K+G to step
K g cancel
KP no more awesome 6_KP punisher :/, 6 goes into slide
KK still sucks, maybe good for combos?
wsK
wsKK
wsK.K
6K
6KK mm
66K m sober 1
4K goes to FL, still an awesome move
44KK h.sh still has flamingo cancel, still fast, still has good range sober 1
2K
3KK cancel second hit to FL(?!?! Didn't try it, but command list say it is possible)
1K old 33K, better command for it
8K m FL or P+K+G to step
9K_P+K+G Still good for oki
7K camera angle changes on hit sober 1
P+K goes to FL, didn't test sabaki window
6P+KPK Still knocks down and has FL mix ups, but it is either slower or moves that were once punishable by it are safer now sober 1
6P+K3PK can cancel to FL sober 1
4P+K probably the same as always, didn't use
2P+KK vastly improved from VF5, but I've had the second hit whiff even after MC (stupid hitboxes...)
3P+K awesome bitchslap move
K+G sober 1
K+GK hh goes to FL
6K+G sober 1
66K+G this is the air throw attack one version sobers 1
4K+G same old, still good, still has a cancel
2K+G
3K+G
1K+GK FL or P+K+G to step
8K+G
9K+GPPK/KK the KK can still be canceled to go into FL, without cancel, sober 1
P+K+G switch footing
P+K+GP+K+G FL
9P+K+G Still fun to use
Running K probably the same as always

FL
P h
PK hm
P2KhitKhitK hlmh sober 1, stays in FL
3P same as neutral
KKKK hhmm (first and second kicks remain in FL)
KK2K hhl
KK2KK hhlh remains in FL
6KK mm useful combo ender
4K FL
2K l still a hit throw (maybe sobers 1?)
3K m
1KK lh FL
7/8K sober 1
P+K the good ol' wiggle
2_8P+K sh goes to FL and can be canceled sobers 1
K+GK hh
6K+G m
2K+G l
3K+G.P+G good ol' hit throw fun sober 1
66 to move forward, 4P+K+G for evasion, 9P+K+G for jumpy times

BT FL
P h old P strings
2P l
K h
2K l

Step (FL P+K+G)
P
PP mm sober
K l leads to the lmh string we all know and love
P+K sabaki
P+G/41236P+G catch throws

Slide (6P+K+G)
P h
PP m 6 goes to Slide sober 1
PPK hmm
K m sober 1
2KKhit/guardP+G lm second hit sobers 1
P+K h
K+G h ASS ATTACK, WTF
4 sabaki

Slide 4 (while in slide and after pressing 4, you get more options)
P h sober 1
K m
2K l
P+K h sober 1
K+G m sober 1

BT
P
2P
K
2K
6K
3K sober 1
P+KK
K+G
P+K+G

(all bt are pretty much the same, though I don't remember what P+K_K does)

Wall
9P+K+G m still staggers high guard

Throws inputs
P+G sober 1
6P+G
66P+G
64P+G sober 1
4P+G sober 1
46P+G
41236P+G
Wall 64P+G
left/rightP+G
back P+G (recover down)

Will test out more when I get a chance

 

Thank you for writing this. Do we have videos that showcase that new 'slide' thing?

 

Yeah. Like.... every vid in this thread. For example.....

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I just noticed first hit serpent is -10 now. That means, it's only throw punishable now(No P), exactly to the frame. So that means, one has to completely call Sarah's bluff. I'm calling it totally 'safe' based on what I just saw. You basically can just stare at their hands while checking to see if they're going for throw now since there's no 0f throws, so you can follow up with the 2nd hit.

Unfortunately Sebo just said that the hitbox is still f'd up. Why didn't Sega fix that? I think it has something to do with anorexic Sarah.

 

Yeah... except I dont know what Im looking for.

 

It's the one where.....

a) it looks like she rushes forward rather quickly
b) She rushes forawrd and hops back

It looks very similar to Jacky's side shuffle/rush. On the hopback she also has moves from it and the hop back itse3lf sabakis moves. Which moves it sabakis, however I don't know.

 

No, no. While I saw it can whiff, it can be because of the long range I was at. But compared to VF5, the difference is day and night.

Around :47 (after 4K+G combo) Sarah does what looks like a short shuffle step forward: that's Flamingo Slide.

But that's what I mean by Sarah being tricky; compared to other stances, this one is really hard to recognize, and when you're on the defending side, it's scary.