VF5R Aoi discussion

I have seen very little VF5R information/discussion about Aoi so far, so I thought making a thread about it here could help rectify that, and get some discussion going /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif and now that we have the official VF5R movelist (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jplaukka/vf5r_all.pdf) we can see what is new and what is gone.

With that out of the way, I wonder if anyone can help me determine what this new move is? Have a look at 0:52 in this movie.

http://dogalog.excite.co.jp/viewvideo.jspx?Movie=48240995/48240995peevee184080.flv

 

How about a Vanessa thread? There hasn't been any talk about her at all.

 

Take it to the Vanessa Forum and get a thread started.

 

What will be gone from Aoi's repertoire? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

 

From some vidz and the official command list...

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is the new command for her YY stance
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif launcher on NH
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is a low kick
Seems like while she steps forward with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif Aoi can avoid high attack and throws.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif launcher on NH
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif high punch attack, looks like her /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif , staggers (on NH or MC ?)

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is a sabaki against low punch ( and maybe high punch too ?)

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif new move, can combo on MC, cause bounce in juggles!

Cancelled move -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif : high attack out her cancel, automatic hit throw if it hits

Cancelled move -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif : mid knee attack, looks like her OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif from VF5

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif new animation, KN on MC

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif MC: no more free /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif slight different animation, lead to a wall throw when the opponent is back to the wall.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif only 35 damage now I think.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif damage toned down

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif has a new animation, can be teched

Last hit of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif can be cancelled now.

And Aoi can add more hits in her juggle what begin with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

I think she can do her ground reversal even if she is attacked on her side ( no need to be facing toward or feets toward)

Some information from the location test thread: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is unsafe now, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif no longer KN on NH, and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is now a high attack instead of special high

I'm happy with the sabaki against 2P, the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif cancel ( finally a Mid, Mid attack with a cancel on the last hit, it reminds me her VF4 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif ) and the YY stance,4,K

 

Thank you kingo for the nice writeup.

What I am seeing in the video is definitely the canceled move into /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hit throw then.

All the new stuff out of YY sounds like so much fun.

From the movelist it also look like she has some sort of low kick/sweep out of YY with..
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

As for missing moves..
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif big pounce is gone it looks like.

Under reversals in the movelist, does it look like you can do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif OR /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to reverse mid AND high? or is it just written in some sort of simplified way to make the list shorter?

 

I believe that according to the move list /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is still a special high? (compare symbols with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif)
I believe I read that the second hit of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif was going to be a special high too, alas according to the move list that didn't happen.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Under reversals in the movelist, does it look like you can do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif OR /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to reverse mid AND high? or is it just written in some sort of simplified way to make the list shorter?</div></div> simplified way to make the list shorter.
alas, no super easy reversals for us.

 

Would of been more surprised to hear these didn't get toned down... they were both heavily spammable.

Cool, should lead to more interesting oki.

NOOOOOOOOOooooooo.... I'm gonna go cry now;;



All the new tenchi stuff and guard-cancel moves sound generally awesome. Just more variety in all the most fun ways to use Aoi. Now we just pray the game sees a console release;;

Also...

Is it just me... or does it look like they're removing all of the remaining shared attacks between Pai and Aoi in this version? I would definitely consider that a welcome change.

 

My mistake, I just look at the command list, and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is still special high.
Also /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif:/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif hit-throw doesn't need MC to connect the throw.
Yeah, I forgot the YY stance,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, looks like a fast sweep haha.
I watch some vidz and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is 37 ( used to be 42 in VF5 )

From the location test thread, I hear /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif MC doesn't allow free /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif anymore, but it still works in the recent AOI VF5R movies.

 

Nooooooo ! the knee of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif doesn't cause a wall splat anymore if the third punch staggers /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/tired.gif
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif during juggles recovers better, so that you can do
launcher,P,33P+K,KK ( replace KK by KPK, 6KK or 64P+KP )

 

Not a huge deal, but has anyone else noticed they spelled her name wrong on the Vs. screen?

 

From recent vids:

DM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif doesn't KN on hit.
BT /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif allows a free /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif natural combo on mC ( for ex you can punish low sweep on block with this string ) but doesn't slam for combo
I just see a "combo" after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif stagger on LW:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif stagger -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif~/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif 84 dmg
I remember /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif used to connect after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif stagger in VF5 ver A only, seems it 's back now

 

Is the P from a cancelled move an automatic throw or is it a hit-throw? I've seen people throw out some weird-looking punch from a cancelled move without the throw animation. Check out 1:26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhfYYmg_TXg&feature=related

 

I can't say for sure... but the hit that occurs at 1:26 in that video is just an attack. No throw or hit-throw occured, the taka player simply stopped blocking.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWh1fD3LnEs&fmt=18 at 1:10-ish. The Aoi player throws out a hit throw without a cancelled attack. I guess there's a new hit throw now or it's an old one with a new animation.

The video I posted earlier looks like the same hit-throw but the Aoi player missed the throw command.

 

2p sabaki hit throw, new sabaki in R

 

Barf.

'Probably not going to be playing Aoi in R', and that's sad.

 

It's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif: sabaki against low and high punch. Successful sabaki lead to an automatic throw.
No more kick/knee sabaki.

Some stuffs I notice from others videos: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif does only 30 damage now...
After low punch and low kicks reversal: ground throw guaranteed now.
After side throw (opponent left) : ground throw not guaranteed, but a light down attack can still hit.

 

Huh... what are you talking about?

That new punch sabaki looks awesome. Turns one of her most useless moves (I think I occasionally used it against sarah players, and never against anyone else), into what could possibly be her best sabaki.

 

^Yeah, I take back what I said. I was only looking at what they took out at the time, and yes, that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif sabaki is beastly.

This is why Aoi rocks.

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