VF5R Brad changes

The opponent is facing away from you in R when they recover.

 

I think in some weird cases theres been a sort of 'glitch' ukemi that teleports the character straight to standing position. I agree with myke in that there needs to be some sort fo ukemi command first (P+K+G)

 

My favorite Brad player with a name I can't pronounce has graciously provided us with VF5R Version B frame data for our beloved Lothario:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mudanadoryokusuki#play/uploads/1/vT3aqn4jE0o


On Guard

= -15
= -15
= -15
= -19
= -15
SL/SR = -15
SB = -17
PT = -18
* = -14
BT = -14
= +2
= -5
= -8
= -16
= -5
= -5
= -16
= -4
= -6
= -8
= -7
= -3
= -6
= -4
= -6
= -8
= -8
= -8
= -5
= -6
= -15
= -6
= -5
= -6
= -13
= -6
= -9
= -8
= -9
= -5
= -15
= -7
= -8
Ducking = -6
Ducking = -14
Ducking = -3
Ducking = -15
Ducking = -6
SR = -6
= -4
SR = -1
SL/SR = -3
SL/SR = -3
SL = -4
SL = +5
SB = -4
SB = -6
SB = -9
SB On hit or guard = -6
SB = Stagger
SB = -9
LD = -3
LD = -6
LD = -6
LD = -8
LD = -13
LD = -7
= -15
= -6
BT = +1
BT = -6
BT = -3
BT = -6
BT = -4
// / In ascension or midair = -7
// / In descension = -6
// / In ascension and midair (?) = -10
// / In decension (?) = -10
= -6
= -2
= -6
= -13
/ = -4
= -22
= -8
= -6
= -13
= -13
= -5
= -6
DM = -15
= -2
= -8
PT = +3
PT = -7
PT = -8
PT = -1
SB = +1

*I think that it's safe to assume that the frames on guard are the same for .


The other values recorded are the frame disadvantages Brad has when transferring into Slipping and Ducking from his various moves. I believe these values reflect the frame situation should Brad remain neutral and not attack from these stances, so I won't bother placing them here since I can't see any practical application for them.

I didn't see the frame data for or on guard.

I also apologize for the inconvenient ordering of the moves presented above. I copied the data in the order presented from the videos.

Here are the most notable changes, which may or may not be VF5R Version B specific:

- This is still -5 on guard from VF5R Version A, which is great for Brad's defense due to players being able to use to fuzzy.

- This used to be -18 on guard in VF5 Version C, but is now -16 on guard.

- This move has gone down from -12 on guard to -8 on guard. This might be a good string to use against side-turned opponents.

SR - This became at least -7 on guard in VF5R Version A. I'm glad that it is once again fuzzable. It would be great if / SR still beats the opponent's elbows like in Version A.

- This was -8 on guard in VF5 Version C but is now -4 on guard. A nice change.

SL/SR - This is now -3 on guard! This used to be non-fuzzable, so -3 is a HUGE difference! And as you can see, it lost its special guard animation.

- I thought that this was changed to -5 on guard in VF5R Version A. If so, it's back to -6 on guard now. You need to crouch dash fuzzy.

- It's now -6 on guard, meaning that you can crouch dash fuzzy! This looks like it's an even better tool against the wall now.


I'm really liking these changes to Brad!

 

Great job, thanks Libertine!

 

Damn, some R player needs to do that with Akira...

 

I've noticed that the light down attack can not be blocked when the opponent techs to the foreground/background but it can be blocked when they do quick rise (in place). I would test this but I won't get my 360 back from MS for at least a few more weeks.

 

You're considered crouching after you tech roll and light down attack is a high attack, methinks.

That's why quick rise works cause you recover standing, don't think it's a glitch. Probably doesn't work when your in face down, feet towards position but never seen that happen.

 

If that would be the case then the kick would whiff.. which it doesnt. Its blocked standing. Therefore its a mid or a special low (latter most likely).

 

Goh vs Brad (Itoshun! & new item win pose)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6KpeXbW-gY&fmt=18
Cool combos I had not seen before @0:34 and @1:49

 

Hey tony, that first combo was previously performed by someone in one of mudanadoryokusuki's videos, and can be seen here at 1:20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl7OcDNyZLo

I heard a ground hit in the video you posted, so I fear that it may not be guaranteed. As for the second one, it looks like is a great combo filler in Version B. His combos looked quite toned down previously, but with the additional hits allowed now, the damage may be similar to that of Version A.

BTW, I think that win pose is from a scene in Samurai Champloo.

 

The YouTube Brad player mudanadoryokusuki had uploaded more of Brad's VF5R Version B frame data awhile ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Kkk6UKtPw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8YOT7tKf4&feature=related

Two quick notes regarding this video in regards to the frame data on guard posted previously:

= -6
= -13

The special high kick retains the push back on guard it received in VF5R Version A. The second item above recovers one frame slower on guard than it did in VF5 Version C.

On Hit:

For the sake of brevity, I will only include the moves that are new or have changed since VF5 Version C this time.

= +2
= +1
= Knock down hit effect similar to that of Ducking
= -6
= +4
Ducking = +6
Slipping Left/Slipping Right = ±0
Slipping Left/Slipping Right = +2
Slipping Left/Slipping Right = +5
Sway Back = -2*
= +8
= -3**

*This move is now akin to Sway Back in VF5 Version C aside from the fact that you can enter stances from it.

**The video says ±0, but mudanadoryokusuki provided a note in the description informing us that it was because it connected as a side hit.


I didn't recall seeing any frame data for and .

The rest of the data in the videos shows the frames from going into his derivative stances from his various moves. The frame counter assumes that the player enters the stances and waits for Brad to recover rather than the advantage Brad has should he attack with fastest timing from his stances. I didn't feel that this data was noteworthy, and is therefore not transcribed here.

 

The reason why asked this in the first place was because of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWw__Qpn-U

It is called a combo by mudanadoryokusuki (say that three times fast). However, in this video I saw it guarded at 1:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIwes-IVWok

So I guess my question has now been officially answered. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Some new combos from Body Break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox_f49uj_sY

Good stuff, Libertine. Thanks for breaking it down

 

Brad's light down attack whiffs at 1:47 after reversing an oki geri.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUGiD4Ikb_w

 

I heard AM2 took out shoo shoo

 

That was weird but maybe the Brad player didn't do it fast enough and the Aoi player is really fast at rolling out of the way.

Happy Friend, don't hate on the shoo shoo. The shoo shoo wants to visit you in Happy Land. It wants to be your friend. It just wants to be happy, like you.
Love the shoo shoo and the shoo shoo will love you back... but hate the shoo shoo and there's no telling what the shoo shoo might doo doo.

 

Happy, at least they don't have the snoo snoo in this game. Be thankful for that.

 

I don't know what Tony means and I don't know what snoo-snoo means. I like the idea of VF5R though. Now I have a new set of move for Brad and Shun and Vanessa and Eileen that I will never understand!

At least Lau has that dope low stagger...