VF5R Lei Fei Changes

I have nothing against changes done to Lei. His new PPP will just mean that I'll have to use other moves/means to go into Doku and Hai. I haven't used PPP that much anyway, except in some combos.

@smb_is_me
yeah, the new /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif looks a bit like Lau's move and it seems to replace the old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.
This move was one of the moves that allowed going directly into Ura-nehan shiki, however now it doesn't go into any stances.

I am sure that Lei's gonna be as fun to use as he was, if not even more. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

The old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is fucking useless, IMO.

-3 on guard, yet your opponent gets a free /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

 

That means he still got his stance switching, they just didnt use it in the replays /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif


Ok leis changes are really nice:
1. PPP (HHM) & P6PP is his old PPP /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
2. new 4K, its the toe kick that looks a bit like shuns and old 4K got changed to 4K+G (at least I really hated doing 4K)
3. 6P+KPP got an extra P, after 6P+K you can go with P+K+G into hai shiki & 6P+KP P+K+G into ura nehan shiki
4. new 1K+G high atk
5. Dokuritsu KP double mid! goes to hai shiki
6. Dokuritsu P+K with on hit P+G
7. new 6P+G
8. new 66P+G wall throw

cons
1. Nehan P & P+K don't seem to go into stance anymore

rest looks like the same

from the vids:
2_6P does PB now instead of doing cr.s

6P+KP has that new animation where he waves his arms

6K+G is that double mid kick now

PPP looks like 66P, so it does H hit H hit M hit PB

1P+K is now like laus 3P+K, thats why 4P+K got the bounce
(with the 1P+K gone lei seems to be pretty vulnerable to 2P now hope 236P+K or 6K+G is vs 2P now)

DOKU P+K is now a punch in the abdomen

 

YES!

 

Over all lei's changes are rally nice and they replaced the bad moves with really nice ones ^-^ Even the nerfs are good. I hope DM P+KP is like doku P+K. They didn't change him as drastically as I thought. So I still can play hime like I used to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Yeah, it looks like they added a few more basic moves for him.

 

That's because it puts you into a stance from which you can't actually guard! (unless you cancel the stance and enter a position you can guard from, wasting frames) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

I know. That's why it's useless.

 

Great! His old PPP is still around!

 

You can always pres /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif to go into Sui /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif This way you can at least avoid any high retaliation.

 

That doesn't help when 6K+G is guarded. At all.

 

Well, OK, I admit, the move is useless on guard. I never actually used it in a serious match anyawy, lol. I really like the new /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif though /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

Are there any more noticable nerfs on lei fei except for the reduction in damange potential for 236 P+K?

 

Ok, so let's put all those changes into one cluster.

<u>NEUTRAL STANCE:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is now HHM with the last hit having the PB (Push Back) effect, check here @ 1:58

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is the new combination for his old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif that allows going into stances

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif the two hit move still goes into Hai, doesn't sober any more (maybe the frames are better after hit)

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif has a new animation, push back on normal, cr.s. on CH, check Here @ 1:22

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif the second hit is now sM instead of M, which means it can be crouch blocked

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is a new mid kick with PB effect, check Here @ 1:52

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is now a 3 hit MHM string, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif after 2nd hit still goes into Ura Nehan,

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif the old string is now a 3 hit "dancing" string, it's now MHM, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif after the 1st goes into Hai, after 2nd into Ura Nehan, 3rd hit is Sober: -2DP, check Here @ 1:15

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif his sabaki got a nerf, the stun is different, check Here @ 0:51

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has bounce now, check Here @ 0:43

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has now Sober: -1DP

New mid hand attack, seems to dodge a bit, it might be /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, I vote for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif because /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif now has bounce, check Here @ 1:23

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is a new move, a jumping double kick (MM), check Here @ 1:48

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif has now Sober: -1DP

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif easier input for the last hit, instead of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (like it was hard before /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif )

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif a new low kick

<u>THROWS</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif doesn't Sober any more

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is now Sober: -1DP

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is now Sober: -1DP, also as wall throw it is 65 dmg and Sober: -2DP, check here @ 0:49

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif a new throw, check here @ 1:56


<u>HAI SHIKI, BOKUTAI:</u>
No changes...?

<u>DOKU RITSU SHIKI:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is now a "new" mid, Sober: -1DP and leaves Doku

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif can be followed by /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, looks similar to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, has Sober: -1DP and has "bound" effect in juggles, check here @ 1:02

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif the last hit is just /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif instead of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif now a mid with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif hit throw for dmg and Sober: -2DP

<u>NE HAN SHIKI:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif the last hit is now Sober: -2DP

<u>KO KO SHIKI:</u>
No changes...?

<u>URA NE HAN SHIKI:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is now Sober: -1DP
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is now Sober: -1DP

<u>URA KO KO SHIKI:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is now Sober: -1DP

<u>SUI RA KAN SHIKI:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is now Sober: -2DP (Shun's gonna get it for all he's done /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is now a high move (!?) with Sober: -2DP

<u>BACK TURNED:</u>
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is now Sober: -2DP

 

Wow. He got toned up?

 

Well, yeah, you could say that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

i use his old 6k+G for oki , very good special high half circular but horrible if it whiffs or guarded